Drose is an ELITE defender~~~Synergy

Post #1 » by **alucryts** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:28 pm

Defense:
(all points per possession):
overall (17th in NBA): 0.74
isolation (12th in NBA): 0.58
pnr on ball handler (46th in NBA): 0.76
post up (13th in NBA): 0.65
pnr on roll man (NR): 0.4
spot up (17th in NBA): 0.87
off screen (63rd in NBA): 0.53
hand off (16th in NBA): 1.06

Offense:
(all points per possession):
overall (164th in NBA): 0.93
isolation (17th in NBA): 1.02
pnr ball handler (42th in NBA): 0.88
post up (NR in NBA): 1.0
spot up (38th in NBA): 1.16
off screen (17th in NBA): 1.03
hand off (NR in NBA): 0.83
cut (69th in NBA): 1.28
offensive rebound (NR in NBA): 1.09
transition (192nd in NBA): 0.96
others (99th in NBA): 0.39

defensive stud

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #2 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:32 pm

Good, now someone explain that to Henry Thorpe.

cpta2020 · Post #3 » by **cpta2020** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:38 pm

Um? Cool?

Jvaughn · Post #4 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:41 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Good, now someone explain that the GB.

FIXED

Post #5 » by **alucryts** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:43 pm

cpta2020 wrote:Um? Cool?

mhmm you got that right 8-)

Woody Allen · Post #6 » by **Woody Allen** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:44 pm

Who cares. His PER is, like, really low.

Post #7 » by **alucryts** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:44 pm

o and btw, rose is > chris paul defensively in almost every single category (all but 1)

Sir Buckets · Post #8 » by **Sir Buckets** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:06 am

Yawn. Boring. Have you SEEN Rondo's steals? They're so exciting.

panthermark · Post #9 » by **panthermark** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:08 am

Yeah....but he does not average at least 9 dimes a game so he still sucks... 9 dimes a game is the new line that I've created in my head that separates the PG's from the SG's....

Only 8.1 dimes a game? Pffft.....slide over to the 2 and let's get a REAL PG.....

Post #10 » by **alucryts** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:18 am

heres the comparison to other point guards:

red is best, blue worst

Chris Paul (all points per possession):
overall (127th in NBA): 0.85
isolation: 0.81
pnr on ball handler: 0.81
post up: 0.95
pnr on roll man: 1.14
spot up: 0.88
off screen: 0.91
hand off: 0.93

Derrick Rose (all points per possession):
overall (17th in NBA): 0.74
isolation: 0.58
pnr on ball handler: 0.76
post up: 0.65
pnr on roll man: 0.4
spot up: 0.87
off screen: 0.53
hand off: 1.06

Rajon Rondo (all points per possession):
overall (80th in NBA): 0.82
isolation: 0.75
pnr on ball handler: 0.8
post up: 0.8
pnr on roll man: 2.0
spot up: 0.91
off screen: 1.14
hand off: 0.3

Russell Westbrook (all points per possession):
overall (223rd in NBA): 0.91
isolation: 0.91
pnr on ball handler: 0.88
post up: 1.07
pnr on roll man: 1.0
spot up: 1.02
off screen: 0.84
hand off: 0.67

Deron Williams (all points per possession):
overall (203rd in NBA): 0.9
isolation: 0.79
pnr on ball handler: 0.85
post up: 0.76
pnr on roll man: 1.29
spot up: 1.16
off screen: 0.65
hand off: 0.5

Derrick Rose is by far the best defender at the point guard position in the league.

te887848 · Post #11 » by **te887848** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:19 am

yeah and you'll have idiots on the gb arguing that chris paul, rondo and westbrook are better defensive players. :lol:

Post #12 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:23 am

On yeah...well...um...well....okay I got nothing...

Post #13 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:27 am

Man defense is only one part of defense. This stat says he's the most limiting on-man PG defender in the league. Does not surprise me in the least. He's quite focused in on his man. I think he could have more of a team impact by playing more aggressive and more intelligent team defense.

Post #14 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:30 am

Same way advanced stats can't convince me DRose isn't an elite player, they're not gonna convince me that he's an elite defender. I have eyes.

Post #15 » by **alucryts** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:33 am

BrooklynBulls wrote:Man defense is only one part of defense. This stat says he's the most limiting on-man PG defender in the league. Does not surprise me in the least. He's quite focused in on his man. I think he could have more of a team impact by playing more aggressive and more intelligent team defense.

but putting those numbers on the #1 defensive team...... 8-)

on top of that team defense cannot be assigned to any one player on a defense. even if player X played perfect team defense, if the guy he is going to help sucked and the guy scored, does it really impact player X? assigning how well someone is at team defense really just boils down to funneling players to the correct area, preventing penetration, and stripping big men for point guards. i would like to believe rose is great at 2 of those 3 and would like him to go to strip big men more. but for team defense from point guard i think those three are really the biggest

like always there is never the end all be all stat for ranking players, but the above is extremely powerful in this argument.

MAQ · Post #16 » by **MAQ** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:37 am

Jvaughn wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Good, now someone explain that the GB.

FIXED

Some of you Bulls fans have a really unhealthy obsession with trying to set the GB straight. And honestly, it just ends up making Bulls fans as a whole look insecure to have to jump up with such force to defend Derrick at the sign of any slight. Or at the sign of any potential for a slight (Speaking of how EVERY Rose thread on the GB has to have Bulls fans jump in and give the sarcastic answers of "He can't go left" or the such even before anyone has said anything bad about Rose).

I can understand the desire to talk basketball, but I cannot understand the desire to talk it with a group of people you tend to, for the most part, have little respect for their knowledge of the subject at hand.

As Project Pat once said, Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved.

Post #17 » by **alucryts** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:40 am

MAQ wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Good, now someone explain that the GB.

FIXED

Some of you Bulls fans have a really unhealthy obsession with trying to set the GB straight. And honestly, it just ends up making Bulls fans as a whole look insecure to have to jump up with such force to defend Derrick at the sign of any slight. Or at the sign of any potential for a slight (Speaking of how EVERY Rose thread on the GB has to have Bulls fans jump in and give the sarcastic answers of "He can't go left" or the such even before anyone has said anything bad about Rose).

I can understand the desire to talk basketball, but I cannot understand the desire to talk it with a group of people you tend to, for the most part, have little respect for their knowledge of the subject at hand.

As Project Pat once said, Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved.

ya, there are people on the GB worth talkin with, but like you said they arent posting their looking for their opinion to change

Toro Rojo · Post #18 » by **Toro Rojo** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:44 am

I rather draw conclusions by watching games than this.

Post #19 » by **alucryts** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:59 am

Toro Rojo wrote:I rather draw conclusions by watching games than this.

i totally agree, but these stats are very powerful. unless you are willing to admit you believe people he defend just dont try to score on him or dont try as hard against him, this paint him as an ELITE on ball defender.

Ajosu · Post #20 » by **Ajosu** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:07 am

Rose deserves a lot of credit for his defensive effort this year. These stats agree with what I've seen during games. He's been really good.