Boozer and the PNR, video -- Double High Screen vid pg. 11

[alucryts]

These videos are very representative of the PNR situation with Rose and Boozer overall; this happens every time. These were the first 6 plays between Rose and Boozer I looked at for representative examples of the situation.....I didn't even have to try to dig for examples.

Exhibit A (I know the resolution is bleeding edge):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixm6r6Jugbc[/youtube]

The PNR is run up the middle. Where is Noah and his man? still coming back from the break....Noah's man is COMPLETELY out of the picture. Rose and Boozer run it to perfection.

Exhibit B:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVtDUjwYg9g[/youtube]

Here Boozer slips the pick at the perfect moment when both defenders double team Rose before he even moves. Who comes over instantly? Omer's defender is in his face leaving Omer COMPLETELY open under the basket. However, the wrong play here is passing to Omer; he has prime offensive rebounding position on a much much smaller Kobe. The smart play is the wide open mid range shot giving an opportunity to rebound and second chance points. Here Boozer turns one shot opportunity into two.

Exhibit C:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSYp9tHz198[/youtube]

Here, again Rose is double teamed immediately off of the pick. Smartly, Boozer slips it and receives a pass. Low and behold.....Noah's man isn't paying any attention to him and runs in from the free throw line to contest.

Exhibit D:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPh5R_SZiPQ[/youtube]

In this video Boozer in bounds and runs directly for an outside pick and roll. He slips it wonderfully and Noah's man again dives for the contest. This is one he probably should have finished, but again it's Noah's man in his face.

Exhibit E:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEiSBzGySvo[/youtube]

Here there are two instances where Rose is blitzed with a double team off of a perceived screen creating a wall. On the Boozer pick, he throws a good pass to Boozer down low who is WIIDDEE oppeen....nevermind there's Noah's man again.

Exhibit F:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quhFFPlg338[/youtube]

Here Rose passes to a Deng in the middle where he then cuts towards Rose to create a void in the middle of the floor. Boozer then comes up to set up a pick and roll towards the middle of the floor. Pause the video at 10 seconds here. Look at how WIDE open the defense leaves the roll man from walling off Rose. Then, look where Noah's man is and where he is about to go. Yet again Noah's man is in his face otherwise Boozer might break the rim he's so wide open.

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As you can see from this video, nearly every time Boozer runs a pick and roll, Noah's man is right there in his face contesting it. There are two reasons why we cannot run the pick and roll like the Utah Jazz did. First, it was the overly long explanation of Noah's/Omer's defending clogging the lane. Second, Rose is a more dominant scoring presence than Deron Williams. With Derrick, he is getting blitzed off of every pick and roll with a hard double team. Most of the time, Rose is not going to be able to create a 2 on 1 on the back side of a pick and roll like Deron and Boozer were able to. Rose creates a 1 on 0 for Boozer instead.

Watching all of these videos, he is getting the ball to Boozer who has a free run at the rim. Imagine if we had Okur on this team who had his defender out of the lane and on the perimeter; these plays would leave Boozer WIDE open for dunk after dunk after dunk. A pick and roll with Rose is EXTREMELY deadly because of how much attention Rose commands. Unfortunately because of our center situation, the back end of the pick and roll is not open for the big man to finish. One person who we HAVE to look for more in these PNRs is a pass from the big men rolling out to Korver on the wing.....my god is he open in a lot of these.

[Rerisen]

Good stuff.

The video is evidence backing up a lot of what we have been suspecting.

I don't want to keep asking you to do more work, as you've already been giving great info, but if synergy goes back three years (not sure on video) is it possible to even get one or two vids of Utah running the PnR with Okur in the lineup?

I think the spacing and open lane would be shocking to see in video (can find on Youtube in Boozer mixes already if people are interested).

And people would see Boozer's ineffectiveness is not on Rose, but mostly the other personnel around him - and probably some small degree natural decline.

[m_willis01]

So how the EFF do we get Noah out of the lane??

Aren't these plays having Noah by design around the paint.... where he is caught setting screens for Rip or Korver..

Or does he just run near the pain like a spazz that he is...

[alucryts]

Good stuff.

The video is evidence backing up a lot of what we have been suspecting.

I don't want to keep asking you to do more work, as you've already been giving great info, but if synergy goes back three years (not sure on video) is it possible to even get one or two vids of Utah running the PnR with Okur in the lineup?

I think the spacing and open lane would be shocking to see in video (can find on Youtube in Boozer mixes already if people are interested).

And people would see Boozer's ineffectiveness is not on Rose, but mostly the other personnel around him - and probably some small degree natural decline.

I can except I can only get one team's video per week. I can't really change it right now because during the next month or so I am going to need the Bulls video from missing some games live.

[boogydown]

And people would see Boozer's ineffectiveness is not on Rose, but mostly the other personnel around him - and probably some small degree natural decline.

Boozer has declined but he is trying to get back to where he was before. I do think this is a personnel problem. Thibs has an entire season to fix this.

Please just for once can Noah and Boozer not get hurt so they can have a year to play together. Please?

[alucryts]

So how the EFF do we get Noah out of the lane...

Aren't these plays having Noah by design around the paint.... where he is caught setting screens for Rip or Korver..

Or does he just run near the pain like a spazz that he is...

Well there are a few things that can happen. First, have Rose and Boozer run quick hitting pick and rolls before the defense can set up from transition. Second, Boozer can get his explosiveness back from 09-10 and finish some more of these plays. Finally, somehow clear out the lane a bit more to run pick and rolls inside the three point line giving the center defender a lot less time to react.

[jl342323]

kudos to putting this much effort into this

but this only shows when boozer receives the ball from drose

there is alot of times drose doesnt even look to pass down low (majority in fact)

[Rerisen]

Here's two stills I snapped like nothing from a Booze mix.

First one, Deron has just dropped it to Booze a second earlier. Notice no one in the lane blocking Booze, the guy guarding Okur at the top is too slow to get over. Boozer dunked this thunderously. (:35 sec in link).



Second one is kind of blurry, but this is just a simple post up, Boozer has just gotten the ball, but look how open the lane is. He scores on a hook (1:30).



If you watch this video, two things stand out. How often the lane was open of other players, or they were hedging their man, and how much more athletic Boozer looked when finishing... Even when defenders do get there, he often dunks, or extends over them to score.

[m_willis01]

How about Freeing up the lane by Playing Boozer at Center like the Suns used to do with Amare...

& go Small with Deng & maybe Taj at the 4 for long stretches....

[boogydown]

So how the EFF do we get Noah out of the lane...

That's the problem.

Boozer is better than Noah all around offensively
Noah is better than Boozer all around defensively

I guess the reason why Boozer did so well in Utah was because Okur gave Boozer so much space and he prospered.

How do we fix this?

Since Noah cannot shoot well from the outside, Boozer is going to have to adjust to scoring from outside which I know he has been trying, but this has to be a consistent thing. Meanwhile, we need to set more pick n rolls and these two need to learn to adjust to each other.

Rip on the other hand is going to have to get used to stay at the 3PT Line because shooting mid range shots is no longer an option.

[alucryts]

kudos to putting this much effort into this

but this only shows when boozer receives the ball from drose

there is alot of times drose doesnt even look to pass down low (majority in fact)

I have watched both of the last 2 games in Synergy where there is a button to replay the last play. I looked for this specifically in both and Rose missed Boozer on a roll once in the 2 games.

[boogydown]

I think we can all agree that Boozer is just getting dominating inside when next to Noah to the point people are laughing at Boozer because someone is blocking him from behind or in front. However, when shooting mid range shots, he normally doesn't have these issues.

The problem is that we aren't using Boozer properly by keeping him shooting mid range shots. However, since his value is so low, we don't really have an option at this point and need to find a way to make this work.

[boogydown]

How about Freeing up the lane by Playing Boozer at Center like the Suns used to do with Amare...

& go Small with Deng & maybe Taj at the 4 for long stretches....

Great offensively, horrible defensively. Not an option.

Deng at PF
Noah at C
Possible

Deng at PF
Gibson at C
Not Possible

Deng at PF
Asik at C
Not Possible

[Rerisen]

Watch the 10' mix I linked above, it really is kind of eye opening how much faster and springy he looks. Even his jumper (2:05) he is getting lift in his legs.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sps2xG29GKU[/youtube]

I think we have to help Boozer more than ever, and Noah is doing the reverse of that, making his life miserable.

Maybe we need to run Boozer more with the second unit. I thought last year CJ did a nice job running PnR with him actually. And with Taj in, he's been missing J's, but is a lot more legit spacer than Noah - if we can get away with that combo.

[boogydown]

With Kurt Thomas, he understood Boozer and allowed him to score inside while Thomas remained outside hitting 2 to 5 mid range shots a night. This worked.

Asik I am afraid would have the same problems Noah is having. Gibson wouldn't but he can't play Center.

[m_willis01]

How about Freeing up the lane by Playing Boozer at Center like the Suns used to do with Amare...

& go Small with Deng & maybe Taj at the 4 for long stretches....

Great offensively, horrible defensively. Not an option.

Wouldn't that be a plausible and likely lineup if we played the Heat tho...

Deng would have to face Lebron at the 4...

and you just pray and Hope Booz can stay in front of Bosh

[Ajosu]

Nice work, alucryts. The thing that really stands out is, if you have just one liability on the floor (offense or defense), how much it affects the whole team. And to think, last year we had two players the other team could cheat off of in our offense!

[alucryts]

So how the EFF do we get Noah out of the lane...

That's the problem.

Boozer is better than Noah all around offensively
Noah is better than Boozer all around defensively

I guess the reason why Boozer did so well in Utah was because Okur gave Boozer so much space and he prospered.

How do we fix this?

Since Noah cannot shoot well from the outside, Boozer is going to have to adjust to scoring from outside which I know he has been trying, but this has to be a consistent thing. Meanwhile, we need to set more pick n rolls and these two need to learn to adjust to each other.

Rip on the other hand is going to have to get used to stay at the 3PT Line because shooting mid range shots is no longer an option.

Actually, Rip's movement off the ball can create some extremely effective pick and roll opportunities down low off of passes. We tried this a bunch versus the Warriors and we simply were off on the timing of the passes leading to turnovers. One of the biggest themes you will see this year in our offense is two 2 man games with Deng roaming. Rose and Boozer will play off of each other while Noah and Rip will play off of each other. The Rip and Noah pick and roll is going to kill teams when they get it down.

[jl342323]

kudos to putting this much effort into this

but this only shows when boozer receives the ball from drose

there is alot of times drose doesnt even look to pass down low (majority in fact)

I have watched both of the last 2 games in Synergy where there is a button to replay the last play. I looked for this specifically in both and Rose missed Boozer on a roll once in the 2 games.

according to synergy boozer had only 4 chances as the pnr roll man. so r u saying drose and boozer ran only 5 pnrs?

can you watch every single attempt? or just the plays where it resulted in miss, make, or turnover?

[alucryts]

kudos to putting this much effort into this

but this only shows when boozer receives the ball from drose

there is alot of times drose doesnt even look to pass down low (majority in fact)

I have watched both of the last 2 games in Synergy where there is a button to replay the last play. I looked for this specifically in both and Rose missed Boozer on a roll once in the 2 games.

according to synergy boozer had only 4 chances as the pnr roll man. so r u saying drose and boozer ran only 5 pnrs?

can you watch every single attempt? or just the plays where it resulted in miss, make, or turnover?

I can watch every single play the bulls run, but only the ones where a possession is recorded are tagged for me to pick out easily. You also have to look at Rose's PNR ball handler because that is the other half of the PNR play.