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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby jumpmanjay on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:25 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Watched the game again this morning. All i can really say is that we won and Iman Shumpert committed about 21 fouls and got called for 5 of them. Good defense is good defense but this kid just hand checks and shoves guys constantly and doesn't get called for it. It's almost as bad as Lebron with his off arm on offense committing dozens of blatant fouls nearly every time he touches the ball and drives. 21 Shump St. gets away way too much on D. It's really becoming annoying.

so many fouls.

johnnyvann840 wrote:oh, and has anyone else developed a burning hatred for Tyson Chandler and his reactions after every play? What a tool that guy is.

YES. he is worse than wade out there. to his credit, hes probably so pissed because he is on an island by himself out there.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby aaqubed on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:29 am

Pong-Man83 wrote:Yeah, I noticed it a lot last year that Tyson never seems to think he commited a foul.


He was like that when he was here too. He's been that way his whole career.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby ManualRam on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:31 am

consultant wrote:I am pretty sure Miami is the only team the Bulls have zoned up this year. With their team, it makes total sense. You usually only fall into a zone against teams who can't shoot or to hide some sort of defensive weakness. I think against Miami, its a little of both given their makeup. I think Thibs feels confident he has the pieces to guard any other team in the league man on man.

On to Miami and we will see if Rose plays.

when the knicks or another team goes small, boozer becomes the last line of defense.
you'd figure the bulls would try to hide that, while keeping noah (or taj) near the paint instead of out chasing guys like landry fields around.
jazzfan1971 wrote:Boozer had a reputation as a low post threat. But, it was all smoke and mirrors. He was never much of a threat in the post.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby fleet on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:34 am

transplant wrote:You can talk about the Bulls starters vs the Knicks starters all you want, but the game was won mostly by the Bulls' bench from the end of the first quarter to the middle of the 2nd Q when the Bulls turned a 6 point deficit into a 10 point lead. After that, it was pretty much a draw. Bulls bench 33, Knicks bench 18. Korver gets the game ball.

thats pretty disturbing too. The playoffs are all about riding the first 6-7 guys
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby tclg on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:35 am

Almost no one thinks they committed a foul
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby ManualRam on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:37 am

drivewayball wrote:Boozer's defense=atrocious. Hmmm. He guarded Chandler almost exclusively, who barely scored during Boozer's twenty-some minutes in the game. His fouls were largely in the act of playing help defense ... vs. a Douglas or Fields who had blown by their primary defenders. He led the team with three key steals that led to scores on the other end. The atrocious claim is simply unwarranted. Over the last two seasons, the Bulls have the best record in basketball. I don't recall that being the case in the years immediately before his arrival.

help defense is a part of defense.
help defense is even more important in the bulls defensive scheme than individual man defense.
boozer's help defense was atrocious, therefore his defense was atrocious.
jazzfan1971 wrote:Boozer had a reputation as a low post threat. But, it was all smoke and mirrors. He was never much of a threat in the post.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby lukeman89 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:40 am

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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby organix85 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:41 am

Pong-Man83 wrote:Yeah, I noticed it a lot last year that Tyson never seems to think he commited a foul.

No one ever thinks they committed a foul.
TyrusRose2425 wrote:Imagine how much more athletic Noah would be if he didn't have his big ass ball sack dragging him down
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby NBAwesome on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:51 am

Rip Hamilton played like a star yesterday. In the 3rd quarter, he was going iso, beating people off the dribble and finishing at the rim. This is everything we've ever wanted out of a starting 2 guard. HOW ARE PEOPLE NOT MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS?
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby Ice Man on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:52 am

fleet wrote:thats pretty disturbing too. The playoffs are all about riding the first 6-7 guys


It's great that Taj, Omer, Brewer, and Korver bail out the starters so often, but for the playoffs either the starters need to improve or the lineups need to change. Trailing early and then storming back in the 2nd quarter is not a good formula against elite teams.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby Ice Man on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:54 am

NBAwesome wrote:Rip Hamilton played like a star yesterday. In the 3rd quarter, he was going iso, beating people off the dribble and finishing at the rim. This is everything we've ever wanted out of a starting 2 guard. HOW ARE PEOPLE NOT MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS?


Because 2 months ago Hamilton had a similar game, and it's hard to get excited about 2 awesome games every 2 months.

I think we'll all get pretty excited if he stays healthy and puts down a couple more like this over the next week or so.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby jl342323 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:57 am

drivewayball wrote:Boozer's defense=atrocious. Hmmm. He guarded Chandler almost exclusively, who barely scored during Boozer's twenty-some minutes in the game. His fouls were largely in the act of playing help defense ... vs. a Douglas or Fields who had blown by their primary defenders. He led the team with three key steals that led to scores on the other end. The atrocious claim is simply unwarranted. Over the last two seasons, the Bulls have the best record in basketball. I don't recall that being the case in the years immediately before his arrival.


if boozer was involved in a score by opponent, he will get the blame majority of the time. you should expect it by now.

i just wish he would move his feet better and try to stay in front of people. he has to shuffle his feet better, b/c that pnr attack will be there all through the playoff. and it just seems like thibs is putting boozer in a vulnerable situation by not have any secondary help coming boozer's way. other teams stop drose pnr by packing the lane and giving away an open shot. boozer isnt good enough defensively to have to guard melo, lebron, dwade alone in those pnr plays.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby jl342323 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:58 am

NBAwesome wrote:Rip Hamilton played like a star yesterday. In the 3rd quarter, he was going iso, beating people off the dribble and finishing at the rim. This is everything we've ever wanted out of a starting 2 guard. HOW ARE PEOPLE NOT MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS?


b/c many of these "fans" proclaimed that he would be a non factor. this is the rip i expected this year. and his presence will open up alot for boozer's game. just hope we can CONTROL the pace and attack the hoop with our BALANCED offensive game.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby ManualRam on Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:06 pm

jl342323 wrote:
drivewayball wrote:Boozer's defense=atrocious. Hmmm. He guarded Chandler almost exclusively, who barely scored during Boozer's twenty-some minutes in the game. His fouls were largely in the act of playing help defense ... vs. a Douglas or Fields who had blown by their primary defenders. He led the team with three key steals that led to scores on the other end. The atrocious claim is simply unwarranted. Over the last two seasons, the Bulls have the best record in basketball. I don't recall that being the case in the years immediately before his arrival.


if boozer was involved in a score by opponent, he will get the blame majority of the time. you should expect it by now.

i just wish he would move his feet better and try to stay in front of people. he has to shuffle his feet better, b/c that pnr attack will be there all through the playoff. and it just seems like thibs is putting boozer in a vulnerable situation by not have any secondary help coming boozer's way. other teams stop drose pnr by packing the lane and giving away an open shot. boozer isnt good enough defensively to have to guard melo, lebron, dwade alone in those pnr plays.


the usual help was on the perimeter because the knicks went small and boozer cant guard the perimeter either.
that's why i think that should the bulls face another team that goes small like that, they should either zone up or just take boozer out. he simply cannot be the last line of defense by himself.
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Re: Post. game. Analysis. Bulls shaky early, get a grip late

Postby JDRochholz on Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:11 pm

lukeman89 wrote:Image

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Awesome!
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