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Asik Discussion. Pg 50 Sheridan: Bulls will match

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S & T not happening - should Bulls match Houston offer to Omer?

They should match and will
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They should match but will not
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They should not match but will
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They should not match and will not
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#256 » by transplant » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:40 pm

Should the Bulls match Houston's offer?

Of course they should.

If they don't, they're screaming to the world that they're not really in this to win it.

You can argue the Hinrich thing however you want to, but not the Asik thing. Depending on the decision the Bulls make, they're either about winning or money.

It's truly the ultimate "telling point."
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#257 » by Mech Engineer » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:41 pm

Great news if they keep Asik.

Looking at all the ridiculous deals teams are giving, it looks like a lot of teams will be over the cap/near LT 2 years from now. And the fact is, a lot of those teams will fail and will be looking to dump talented players for expiring contracts. If the Bulls want to pull a deal off, it will be easier to do.
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#258 » by Ron Harper » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:45 pm

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
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BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:^^^^^Letting Asik walk, while keeping Noah & Taj makes us better. Keeping Asik, while trading Noah & letting Taj walk makes us worse.



How can you possibly say that without knowing who will be traded for? Especially when the Bulls don't have to make those kind of moves for another 2 seasons

How can they afford it, Harp?

Seriously man. How in the world do the Bulls pay Asik, Noah, Boozer, & Taj big money?


I have never expected Bulls to resign Taj with Mitroic coming over.

Other than that, as a fan I want the Bulls to spend the money they need to. If I felt that the Bulls didn't need Asik, I wouldn't mind either way. But I think Asik is a big part of this roster. Noah and Boozer are oft injured, and even when they are healthy, you don't get much better than Asik defensively.

I also think the plan is to amnesty Boozer.

I think the Bulls are building towards a Noah/Asik/Mirotic front court in 2013-14.
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Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#259 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:47 pm

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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#260 » by pduh01 » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:48 pm

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I have never expected Bulls to resign Taj with Mitroic coming over.

Other than that, as a fan I want the Bulls to spend the money they need to. If I felt that the Bulls didn't need Asik, I wouldn't mind either way. But I think Asik is a big part of this roster. Noah and Boozer are oft injured, and even when they are healthy, you don't get much better than Asik defensively.

I also think the plan is to amnesty Boozer.

I think the Bulls are building towards a Noah/Asik/Mirotic front court in 2013-14.


Part of it I agree, and part I disagree of your post.

As I mention in my previous post I think our core is going to be something like Noah/Asik/Gibson/Miltroic, and of course with Derrick Rose.

I think that is what the Bulls looking to build on with our future front court minus Luol Deng. I think both Deng and Boozer going to be gone later down the road unless we resign Deng for cheap(Yeah right lol.)

I think Boozer is going to either get amnesty in 2014 at the earliest, or trade him for expiring, and then look to deal Deng for something solid in return, or let him walk for nothing.
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#261 » by bullsnewdynasty » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:49 pm

HINrichPolice wrote:If we match Asik, we need a new poll asking whether it's a sign of a new era in Bulls spending more or if it puts Noah at risk of being traded.

If it's the former, we should all be happy as hell right now!


I don't think the Bulls want to do anything more than dip a little into the luxury tax if they re-sign Asik. So it would be a bit of hyperbole to declare a "new era" in Bulls spending.
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#262 » by Ron Harper » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:51 pm

pduh01 wrote:
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I have never expected Bulls to resign Taj with Mitroic coming over.

Other than that, as a fan I want the Bulls to spend the money they need to. If I felt that the Bulls didn't need Asik, I wouldn't mind either way. But I think Asik is a big part of this roster. Noah and Boozer are oft injured, and even when they are healthy, you don't get much better than Asik defensively.

I also think the plan is to amnesty Boozer.

I think the Bulls are building towards a Noah/Asik/Mirotic front court in 2013-14.


Part of it I agree, and part I disagree of your post.

As I mention in my previous post I think our core is going to be something like Noah/Asik/Gibson/Miltroic, and of course with Derrick Rose.

I think that is what the Bulls looking to build on with our future front court minus Luol Deng. I think both Deng and Boozer going to be gone later down the road unless we resign Deng for cheap(Yeah right lol.)

I think Boozer is going to either get amnesty in 2014 at the earliest, or trade him for expiring, and then look to deal Deng for something solid in return, or let him walk for nothing.


That would be fine with me as well...If Taj stays and Deng goes.

What do you do next offseason when Taj is a UFA? Do the Bulls look to trade Deng before they have to make a decision on Taj?
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#263 » by Merk256 » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:52 pm

J.A. Adande(sp?) in the first video(Sources: Hinrich Verbally Agrees With Bulls) says he has been told the Bulls will match the OA offer sheet

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... ource-says
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#264 » by PistolP » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:53 pm

I just hope the Bulls make this decision with the appropriate framework of a multi-year plan in place. In two years the Bulls could have Noah, Asik, Rose, Boozer and possibly Deng and maybe even Taj on 8-figure salaries and no long-term SG. It will likely require a combo of some major roster changes (resign Deng?, amnesty Boozer?, resign Taj?, trade Noah?). It would be a shame if we wind up making decisions to let go of better players because of this. For example, if keeping Asik means having to deal Taj for a Gustavo Ayon-esque return later on, that's not a good plan.
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#265 » by Mech Engineer » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:58 pm

I think if they amnesty Boozer in 2014 and sign Taj to a deal where he is getting his overall money but is getting paid a cap-friendly amount in 2014-15(year of Asik's big deal)...it probably can be done to preserve all three(Noah, Taj and Asik). And, anyhow if Asik is good to great will be a different chapter in his next contract which nobody knows.
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Post#266 » by transplant » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:07 pm

PistolP wrote:I just hope the Bulls make this decision with the appropriate framework of a multi-year plan in place. In two years the Bulls could have Noah, Asik, Rose, Boozer and possibly Deng and maybe even Taj on 8-figure salaries and no long-term SG. It will likely require a combo of some major roster changes (resign Deng?, amnesty Boozer?, resign Taj?, trade Noah?). It would be a shame if we wind up making decisions to let go of better players because of this. For example, if keeping Asik means having to deal Taj for a Gustavo Ayon-esque return later on, that's not a good plan.

Let's keep in mind that the Bulls' FO is methodical and conservative. Everyone says so. If this is true, I suspect that they have a long-term plan. They're not just wingin' it.
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Re: Asik Discussion (Part2) - POLL - Birthday 7/4 

Post#267 » by Ralphb07 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:32 am

So we signed Kirk and if we're bringing back Asik, the only whole left is a offensive wing. The bench will be a strong point for us again next year.
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Post#268 » by dice » Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:30 pm

the mistake here in retrospect was only signing omer to a 2 year deal. the spurs locked up dejuan blair dirt cheap for 4 years on his rookie deal
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Aggrey Sam: Bulls leaning towards not matching Asik 

Post#269 » by BG7 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:54 pm

He just did a interview on CSN a few minutes ago and brought this up. Said they have been back and forth on the decision, but right are leaning towards letting him go. Said they plan to play more of a 3 more rotation next year and also brought up Nazr Mohammed as a possibility again for the fourth big man.
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Re: Aggrey Sam: Bulls leaning towards not matching Asik 

Post#270 » by SpeedyWindRose » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:57 pm

Yeahhhh that whole 3 man rotation thing isn't so great when 2 of those are pretty injury prone. Our frontcourt is critical to our success; I think they'll match :dontknow:
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Re: Aggrey Sam: Bulls leaning towards not matching Asik 

Post#271 » by Jordan45822 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:57 pm

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Re: Aggrey Sam: Bulls leaning towards not matching Asik 

Post#272 » by AAU Teammate » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:57 pm

While I want Asik here, I'll reserve full judgment until I see what else they have planned.
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Re: Aggrey Sam: Bulls leaning towards not matching Asik 

Post#273 » by DuckIII » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:58 pm

It will be insupportable bull **** if they don't match AND consolidate the bench mob. Hopefully this report does not play out.
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Post#274 » by Hotstove907 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:59 pm

I don't want to match that money but Nazr? Yuck.
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Re: Aggrey Sam: Bulls leaning towards not matching Asik 

Post#275 » by chi_dude » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:59 pm

Heard the same on espn 1000 yesterday, aren't most reporters like KC saying bulls are expected to match?

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