Boozer plus a BAE player vs. a $6-7 million FA + room MLE

[JohnnyKILLroy]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

[MarkDeeks]

You can not just scratch Dunleavy, if they move him, they will probably be bringing salary back

I doubt they will beyond this year. They wouldn't move him if that was the case.

The cap holds are $915K, unless you have your own 2nd round pick on the roster

No, roster charges are equal to rookie minimums. You might be thinking of the rule whereby for tax purposes all minimum salaries to veterans (i.e. no tdraft picks) count as third year players, but that's not what we are discussing here. Additionally, second round picks have no cap holds.

Without Deng, the Bulls 1st round pick, should be much higher, probably closer to $3m

For an unsigned first rounder to have a cap hold as high as $3 million, it would have to be number 5 ($3,012,500). You really see them picking that high after the lottery?

Charlotte may push past the Bulls, into the playoffs, maybe another $2M pick

How's it a $2 million pick if they're in the playoffs? The #15, the highest non-lottery pick, has a cap hold of only $1,546,100. Having it takes away a roster charge, too, so at worst Charlotte making the playoffs would cost a million from cap space. That ain't nothing, really.

[Darius Miles Davis]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone.

Mark, I'm sure you're well informed, by why is Dunleavy gone? I think he's played well and is actually worth his contract, and he's locked up for pretty cheap next year. Meanwhile, we just lost a SF in Deng.

If we're getting Melo, sure, but otherwise?

And who is this cap room for if not Melo? I don't see any scenario (amnesty or no) in which Dunleavy's bread precludes us from getting Mirotic.

[MarkDeeks]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

No, cos you wouldn't have the MLE. MLE is an exception, and exceptions are for people who don't have cap room. There is the new funky cap room MLE thing you get post-cap space which rather contradicts this, but given that that's for a maximum of two years and $5,586,940, I wouldn't hang your hat on Mirotic accepting that.

[MarkDeeks]

I think he's played well and is actually worth his contract, and he's locked up for pretty cheap next year.

Exactly. Other teams will want that!

[MGB8]

MLE is an exception to the cap. We don't have to use it until after we have used our cap space. That's why over the cap / near the cap teams can use the MLE.

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

If we give Mirotic the MLE, wouldn't it come straight out of our cap space? Or can we offer the MLE and still use the $13 million to sign someone else.

[MarkDeeks]

And who is this cap room for if not Melo?

Woah now, don't we thinking all Melo or bust here. That's not healthy or wise.

[mysticbb]

If he prices himself out of the Bulls's price range, they can always say no thanks, we'll try again next year. I should think they get something done next summer, but if he gets all silly about it, they have the leverage to say no.

Sure, but is that really a good thing for the Bulls? Playing hardball with a superstar in Europe might not be the best way to build a good team, I would think. Which leads me to the conclusion that the Bulls will use part of the capspace to sign Mirotic. But well, I also thought the Bulls would keep Deng until summer and then sign him to a reasonable 5yr deal ...

[JohnnyKILLroy]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

No, cos you wouldn't have the MLE. MLE is an exception, and exceptions are for people who don't have cap room. There is the new funky cap room MLE thing you get post-cap space which rather contradicts this, but given that that's for a maximum of two years and $5,586,940, I wouldn't hang your hat on Mirotic accepting that.

Thanks.

It would get Nikola into his second deal sooner right? If he took the 2yrs that is...

[DanTown8587]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

There is no MLE if you have cap space so no.

[MarkDeeks]

Which leads me to the conclusion that the Bulls will use part of the capspace to sign Mirotic.

Like I said, I agree. But if he says he wants something startiing at, like, $6 million or whatever, they can always say no, come back next year. And as his only NBA suitor, he'll have to live with that. Both sides have leverage - Mirotic can always stay at his plush gig with Madrid, and the Bulls can always wait him out due to the exclusive nature of their rights - yet both sides (it seems) want to get it done. So I don't think his price will be too silly.

[Darius Miles Davis]

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

No, cos you wouldn't have the MLE. MLE is an exception, and exceptions are for people who don't have cap room. There is the new funky cap room MLE thing you get post-cap space which rather contradicts this, but given that that's for a maximum of two years and $5,586,940, I wouldn't hang your hat on Mirotic accepting that.

Thanks.

It would get Nikola into his second deal sooner right? If he took the 2yrs that is...

But we don't get full his full Bird rights if we sign him for two years, correct?

[RedBulls23]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Any chance they can trade Taj for expirings? Do they even want to?

[Darius Miles Davis]

Which leads me to the conclusion that the Bulls will use part of the capspace to sign Mirotic.

Like I said, I agree. But if he says he wants something startiing at, like, $6 million or whatever, they can always say no, come back next year. And as his only NBA suitor, he'll have to live with that. Both sides have leverage - Mirotic can always stay at his plush gig with Madrid, and the Bulls can always wait him out due to the exclusive nature of their rights - yet both sides (it seems) want to get it done. So I don't think his price will be too silly.

Is there any fear of him staying indefinitely in Europe? I would think that if I'm him, I want to get on my first mid-range 3 year NBA deal so that he might really start banking on his second deal, no?

[LoveDaBoo]

Zach Lowe thinks we should target Lance Stephenson. What do we think about that?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I've got a feeling Mirotic is gonna get us for 7 per.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Zach Lowe thinks we should target Lance Stephenson. What do we think about that?

I'd be all about it.

[Darius Miles Davis]

And who is this cap room for if not Melo?

Woah now, don't we thinking all Melo or bust here. That's not healthy or wise.

I get it, but I'm not excited about overpaying Hayward, and the other stars aren't going anywhere. Frankly, I don't even like Melo that much, but I see his value. I just don't want to let go of everyone and get lesser players back.

[MarkDeeks]

Is there any fear of him staying indefinitely in Europe?

Shouldn't think so because he's good enough to earn the type of money that only the NBA can pay him.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

There is no MLE if you have cap space so no.

Thanks

Could we get around it if we traded for Hayward at the deadline? Just asking hypothetically...