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In Today's NBA, You Need to be able to Make Trades 

Post#1 » by HomoSapien » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:26 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/484869828071530497[/tweet]

It's becoming increasingly clear that a lack of money is going to be key in acquiring Anthony. Even if we had the ability to offer the max, we still would be offering quite a bit less than what NY could offer, so we'd be at an immediate disadvantage.

Now we're hearing that we can't even secure a meeting with James' agent for that very same reason. I know we all hate James, but it's a problem when the NBA's best player isn't interested in meeting with you but is interested in the Suns.

I've been extremely vocal over the years about the Bulls inability to make trades. They are downright terrible at them. I know some of you are dying to point out the McDermott trade, or the Eddy Curry trade that happened nearly a decade ago now, but let's be more nuanced than that. The Bulls aren't able to trade for established talents.

They're great at making trades for picks or ones that help them out financially, but they're probably worst in the league at actually acquiring established talent.

Hopefully this offseason has been eye opening. In today's NBA, it's becoming really advantageous to be skilled at making trades.
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Post#2 » by patagonia » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:28 pm

Maybe they reached out through back channels and heard Lebron wasn't interested so why have a meeting?

People always assume the worst about the Bulls and it's getting really old.
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Post#3 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:31 pm

What are all these great trades other teams are making that ranks the Bulls last?
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Post#4 » by HomoSapien » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:32 pm

patagonia wrote:Maybe they reached out through back channels and heard Lebron wasn't interested so why have a meeting?

People always assume the worst about the Bulls and it's getting really old.


Why is this your assumption? KC straight up said there was no meeting because the Bulls couldn't offer enough money.
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Post#5 » by RedBulls83 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:32 pm

Let's see if the reengage the Wolves on KLove.
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Post#6 » by patagonia » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:33 pm

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patagonia wrote:Maybe they reached out through back channels and heard Lebron wasn't interested so why have a meeting?

People always assume the worst about the Bulls and it's getting really old.


Why is this your assumption? KC straight up said there was no meeting because the Bulls couldn't offer enough money.


That's his assumption.
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Post#7 » by HomoSapien » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:33 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:What are all these great trades other teams are making that ranks the Bulls last?


Well we haven't made any trades for established talent, so by default we are last. It's not very hard to argue.

And to be clear, I'm not talking about trades for super stars. Just guys who can immediately help you.
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Post#8 » by HomoSapien » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:34 pm

patagonia wrote:
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patagonia wrote:Maybe they reached out through back channels and heard Lebron wasn't interested so why have a meeting?

People always assume the worst about the Bulls and it's getting really old.


Why is this your assumption? KC straight up said there was no meeting because the Bulls couldn't offer enough money.


That's his assumption.


Uh ... well then.
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Post#9 » by fleet » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:41 pm

I've long had the theory that The Chairman would rather eat rotton eggs than go after Lebron after the charade in 2010 where Lebron conned the Bulls. Some people just don't forget getting swindled. I admire him for keeping his pride intact. Don't give it up. Not for anybody.
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Post#10 » by HomoSapien » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:45 pm

fleet wrote:I've long had the theory that The Chairman would rather eat rotton eggs than go after Lebron after the charade in 2010 where Lebron conned the Bulls. Some people just don't forget getting swindled. I admire him for keeping his pride intact. Don't give it up. Not for anybody.


Forget about James then. It doesn't change the point of my opening post.

Even if the Bulls are able to offer the max, they are at an immediate disadvantage when compared to the Free-Agent's current team. The new rules are designed to keep top talent at their current teams.

If we really want to get top talent, then we need to change our approach. We have to be aggressive on the trade front (i.e. Love), otherwise we are really unlikely to land that top FA.
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Post#11 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:51 pm

HomoSapien wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:What are all these great trades other teams are making that ranks the Bulls last?


Well we haven't made any trades for established talent, so by default we are last. It's not very hard to argue.

And to be clear, I'm not talking about trades for super stars. Just guys who can immediately help you.


Ok, what are these smaller trades that other teams are making? We hardly ever see true basketball trades. It's almost always financial or trading the future for the present.
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Post#12 » by RedBulls83 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:53 pm

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fleet wrote:I've long had the theory that The Chairman would rather eat rotton eggs than go after Lebron after the charade in 2010 where Lebron conned the Bulls. Some people just don't forget getting swindled. I admire him for keeping his pride intact. Don't give it up. Not for anybody.


Forget about James then. It doesn't change the point of my opening post.

Even if the Bulls are able to offer the max, they are at an immediate disadvantage when compared to the Free-Agent's current team. The new rules are designed to keep top talent at their current teams.

If we really want to get top talent, then we need to change our approach. We have to be aggressive on the trade front (i.e. Love), otherwise we are really unlikely to land that top FA.

I agree that Bulls will have to make a real impact full trade now if they really are out of the Melo sweepstakes.

Let see what happens on the Love front though. Bulls already made an offer and it was rejected. It has been reported that the Wolves want to wait till after the Lebron and Melo dust settles and then they will start engaging teams again.

At that point is when Bulls have a shot again.
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Post#13 » by Hangtime84 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:57 pm

In Todays NBA you need to draft really well.
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Post#14 » by Zartan » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:59 pm

fleet wrote:I've long had the theory that The Chairman would rather eat rotton eggs than go after Lebron after the charade in 2010 where Lebron conned the Bulls. Some people just don't forget getting swindled. I admire him for keeping his pride intact. Don't give it up. Not for anybody.


How did the Bulls get swindled? Because he didn't choose to play with them?

Someone said it earlier in the Melo thread.....if you're a free agent and you're leaning toward signing with a certain team wouldn't it behoove you to explore all of your options before signing on the dotted line? Even if you might already know what you think you'd like?

This is the process of today's NBA free agency. Players want to be stroked and coddled. If you feel "swindled" by the process than you're being entirely to emotional about it.
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Post#15 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:59 pm

The only way the Bulls could dump enough money is to have a team with Rose, Noah, butler, Dougie and no one else - why the hell would he leave Miami for that?

We know it, the Bulls know it, and Lebron knows it.
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Post#16 » by fleet » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:01 pm

Zartan wrote:
fleet wrote:I've long had the theory that The Chairman would rather eat rotton eggs than go after Lebron after the charade in 2010 where Lebron conned the Bulls. Some people just don't forget getting swindled. I admire him for keeping his pride intact. Don't give it up. Not for anybody.


How did the Bulls get swindled? Because he didn't choose to play with them?

Someone said it earlier in the Melo thread.....if you're a free agent and you're leaning toward signing with a certain team wouldn't it behoove you to explore all of your options before signing on the dotted line? Even if you might already know what you think you'd like?

This is the process of today's NBA free agency. Players want to be stroked and coddled. If you feel "swindled" by the process than you're being entirely to emotional about it.

yeah I know you Zartan. 2010 was on the up and up. Gahead.
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Post#17 » by Zartan » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:02 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:The only way the Bulls could dump enough money is to have a team with Rose, Noah, butler, Dougie and no one else - why the hell would he leave Miami for that?

We know it, the Bulls know it, and Lebron knows it.


You don't think that's a better supporting cast than Wade, Bosh and ring chasers?
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Post#18 » by r1terrell23 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:03 pm

We will continue to bring in washed up vets and no stars until GarPax leaves.
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Post#19 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:05 pm

Zartan wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:The only way the Bulls could dump enough money is to have a team with Rose, Noah, butler, Dougie and no one else - why the hell would he leave Miami for that?

We know it, the Bulls know it, and Lebron knows it.


You don't think that's a better supporting cast than Wade, Bosh and ring chasers?


With Rose having not played in two years? I think that's a tough sell.

I don't think Lebron is looking to leave Miami for 'maybe better'.
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Post#20 » by TheStig » Fri Jul 4, 2014 9:07 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:The only way the Bulls could dump enough money is to have a team with Rose, Noah, butler, Dougie and no one else - why the hell would he leave Miami for that?

We know it, the Bulls know it, and Lebron knows it.

If they traded away Rose and the spare parts they could offer Melo and Bron near max with Noah, Gibson, Butler and Dougie. Then they can resign DJ for the room exception.

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