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dice · Post #101 » by **dice** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:10 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:T. Snell checking in at 286.

Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

Proven_Winner · Post #102 » by **Proven_Winner** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:51 pm

dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:T. Snell checking in at 286.

Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

Does it matter? They have guys like McGary near Snell so it's partially based on SL. Just be happy man he's a Bull.

dice · Post #103 » by **dice** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:57 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:
dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

Does it matter? They have guys like McGary near Snell so it's partially based on SL. Just be happy man he's a Bull.

i count my blessings daily

Jvaughn · Post #104 » by **Jvaughn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:14 pm

dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:T. Snell checking in at 286.

Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

They base it on how they'll potentially look this year. So last year, plus summer league, plus natural progression and growth.

dice · Post #105 » by **dice** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:16 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

They base it on how they'll potentially look this year. So last year, plus summer league, plus natural progression and growth.

last year's play should have dropped him from 430

mj234eva · Post #106 » by **mj234eva** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:16 pm

dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:T. Snell checking in at 286.

Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

His new hairdo possibly...

dice · Post #107 » by **dice** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:18 pm

mj234eva wrote:
dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

His new hairdo possibly...

maybe they have him mixed up with another black guy

Jvaughn · Post #108 » by **Jvaughn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:20 pm

dice wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
dice wrote:what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

They base it on how they'll potentially look this year. So last year, plus summer league, plus natural progression and growth.

last year's play should have dropped him from 430

I worded that wrong. Basically where they expect him to grow from last year.

mj234eva · Post #109 » by **mj234eva** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:22 pm

dice wrote:
mj234eva wrote:
dice wrote:what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

His new hairdo possibly...

maybe they have him mixed up with another black guy

If I had a nickle... :lol:

Proven_Winner · Post #110 » by **Proven_Winner** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:23 pm

dice wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
dice wrote:what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

They base it on how they'll potentially look this year. So last year, plus summer league, plus natural progression and growth.

last year's play should have dropped him from 430

But his really good summer league play and the fact the media isn't as reactionary as us and understand this is only his 2nd year bumped him up 70 spots. I don't get what's so bad about him being in the 200 spot look at the list all the guys above and below are just either bad or role players so it's not like they are calling him a starter they just aren't as over reactionary as we are.

Moobs · Post #111 » by **Moobs** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:29 am

Surprised Marquis Teague isn't ranked 500th

molepharmer · Post #112 » by **molepharmer** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:43 pm

Brooks and Hinrich should be next up. Not sure who'll be ranked higher (i.e. better), probably Hinrich, barely. Last year Kirk was at 183 and Brooks at 283.

'13-14
AB..... 22mpg.....9.0 pts...3.2 as.....1.9 rbd....40.1% FG...38.7% 3pt
KH..... 29mpg.....9.1 pts...3.9 as.....2.6 rbd....39.3% FG...35.1% 3pt

Jvaughn · Post #113 » by **Jvaughn** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:36 am

Kurt Hinrich escapes the day, but Aaron Brooks not as lucky . Checks in at 244.

AirP. · Post #114 » by **AirP.** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:26 pm

dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:T. Snell checking in at 286.

Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

How many of last year's players ahead of him retired?

AirP. · Post #115 » by **AirP.** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:30 pm

molepharmer wrote:Brooks and Hinrich should be next up. Not sure who'll be ranked higher (i.e. better), probably Hinrich, barely. Last year Kirk was at 183 and Brooks at 283.

'13-14
AB..... 22mpg.....9.0 pts...3.2 as.....1.9 rbd....40.1% FG...38.7% 3pt
KH..... 29mpg.....9.1 pts...3.9 as.....2.6 rbd....39.3% FG...35.1% 3pt

Better point guard... Brooks, but Kirk can play multiple positions(PG/SG) so maybe that and "defense" gives him the nod over Brooks for overall rankings as a basketball player.

dice · Post #116 » by **dice** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:34 pm

AirP. wrote:
dice wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Wasn't he around 430 last year?

Just checked he was 351 last year so he made a 70 spot jump. That's my guy Tony.

what in the hell are they basing this on? summer ball?

How many of last year's players ahead of him retired?

probably around the same number as the number of rookies that should be ahead of him

Mongoose · Post #117 » by **Mongoose** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:23 pm

Hinrich comes in at #204 (4.21 score). Ford has also spoiled the scores of some rookies he felt were going to over/underperform their scores:

Nikola Mirotic | F | Bulls
Panel score: 4.68

Mirotic is a unique rookie. He's a 23-year-old from Montenegro who's been playing at the highest level of Europe for years. He was the MVP of the Spanish Cup Finals in 2014, and was MVP of Round 1 of the Euroleague in 2013-14. He's already established himself on a stage with a higher level of basketball than anything the collegians will bring to the table.

Mirotic will likely play mostly the 4 in the NBA, but he has the mobility to guard the 3, as well. He gives the Bulls something they desperately covet -- more shooting. He shot 46 percent from three last year for Real Madrid. He also has the ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the lane. Many European scouts in particular think he could be a star in the NBA someday of the order of Toni Kukoc or Dirk Nowitzki. They are that high on him. Had Mirotic been in this year's draft (he was drafted 23 by the Magic and then traded to the Bulls in 2011) I think he would've been the fourth player chosen behind Wiggins, Parker and Joel Embiid.

The question for Mirotic will be one of transition (Europeans sometimes take a year to make the shift to the faster pace of the NBA) and opportunity. The Bulls are stacked at the four with Pau Gasol and Taj Gibson. Gasol will play some five behind Joakim Noah which will open up some extra minutes there. At the three he'll be battling for time with Mike Dunleavy and fellow rookie Doug McDermott. If he can get minutes, I think he'll outperform his ranking, perhaps by a large margin. If he doesn't, I still think he'll be an effective stretch four off the bench and that the ranking is pretty fair.

Projection: Likely will outperform

Doug McDermott| F | Chicago Bulls
Panel score: 4.38

McDermott landed in a terrific place. Coming into the 2014 NBA draft, the Bulls needed shooting and a player who could come in and contribute right away. McDermott might have been the best shooter in the draft when he gets his feet set, and four years at Creighton makes him more NBA-ready than most guards.

He also has opportunity. Mike Dunleavy is on the downside of his career, meaning McDermott could earn big minutes at small forward, if he plays well. While I don't know McDermott will be a star, I think he's going to help the Bulls right out of the gate and is likely to overperform this ranking.

Projection: Will outperform

McDermott should be slotted somewhere between #190 to #200 judging from the most recent rankings.

kuly1990 · Post #118 » by **kuly1990** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:30 pm

i really dont think that he has ability to put the ball at fllor as a three guy or that he has mobility to guard threes!

Jvaughn · Post #119 » by **Jvaughn** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:13 pm

I call BS on the rest of this list Doug McDermott checking in at #192.

dice · Post #120 » by **dice** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:47 pm

Jvaughn wrote:I call BS on the rest of this list Doug McDermott checking in at #192.

what's unreasonable about projecting him as a typical 7th man his rookie year?

so mirotic...172?