LeBron: Bulls 'Much Better' Than Cavs

[kyrv]

The Cavs' owner is a banker and casino guy. He has money coming out the wazoo and when the Cavs were good, he spent it on them. They had one of the highest payrolls in the league for several years and also had one of the highest revenues.

The Cavs aren't going to be broken up over money. Kyrie is already locked up. Love is locked up. Lebron will re-sign. Varejao isn't going to leave. We are basically talking about Dion Waiters as a restricted free agent here.

Love isn't locked in yet. His cap hit could be anywhere from 15.5 to 17.5 Million depending on wether he takes an extension next season or not.

Tristan is a free agent next year and is going to get 8 figures per year.

Sure, Gilbert owns Quicken and makes a lot of money. But having your cap distributed so top heavy is not sustainable for anyone.

As it stands, Cavs might be paying 10-15 Million dollars in tax next season.

One thing to watch, Lebron got really upset when Miami made cost cutting moves, and they actually needed the depth at the time.

Miami did what was natural, before winning they said we don't care what we pay. Then they won, and look at what guys like Miller and Anthony are effectively costing them, and they say...screw it, these guys aren't worth it.

[musiqsoulchild]

The Cavs' owner is a banker and casino guy. He has money coming out the wazoo and when the Cavs were good, he spent it on them. They had one of the highest payrolls in the league for several years and also had one of the highest revenues.

The Cavs aren't going to be broken up over money. Kyrie is already locked up. Love is locked up. Lebron will re-sign. Varejao isn't going to leave. We are basically talking about Dion Waiters as a restricted free agent here.

Love isn't locked in yet. His cap hit could be anywhere from 15.5 to 17.5 Million depending on wether he takes an extension next season or not.

Tristan is a free agent next year and is going to get 8 figures per year.

Sure, Gilbert owns Quicken and makes a lot of money. But having your cap distributed so top heavy is not sustainable for anyone.

As it stands, Cavs might be paying 10-15 Million dollars in tax next season.

One thing to watch, Lebron got really upset when Miami made cost cutting moves, and they actually needed the depth at the time.

Miami did what was natural, before winning they said we don't care what we pay. Then they won, and look at what guys like Miller and Anthony are effectively costing them, and they say...screw it, these guys aren't worth it.

History does favor Gilbert and the Cavs more than it does Arison and the Heat. Micky is notoriously against paying LT. And Gilbert will do ANYTHING to keep LeBron happy.

Quick question for capologists:

1) Can LeBron take a lesser salary and get ownership of the Cavs (part ownership of course)
2) Is a 100 Million dollar cap realistic in 2017? I am not talking LT threshold...I am talking cap limit.

[improper]

I live in Cleveland. Its a fine place to live. Not nearly as nice as a southern city though. Love had a wink-wink deal to come to Cleveland. He can go back on it and burn his agent, Lebron and others but I doubt he will.

Yeah, I really don't get the hate for Cleveland as a city. It's actually pretty nice depending on where you live. The downtown area near the Q is awesome and there are a ton of nice suburbs. Obviously it's not as nice as some other cities, but it's also not some decrepit hellhole. That would be Detroit.

Seriously, though, Cleveland is a nice place to live. The weather sucks, but that's true of Chicago as well, along with most northern cities. It's just something you either get used to, and it's not as if NBA players aren't constantly on the road or millionaires who can afford to live wherever they want in the off-season.

And for the record, I don't live in Cleveland or Ohio. From there, but I've lived in Charlotte for the past three years. Charlotte is a nicer city than Cleveland (and warmer!), but Cleveland is a much, much better sports town.

Quick question for capologists:

1) Can LeBron take a lesser salary and get ownership of the Cavs (part ownership of course)
2) Is a 100 Million dollar cap realistic in 2017? I am not talking LT threshold...I am talking cap limit.

1. No.
2. I'd say it's at least realistic, although I think 2018 is probably the more likely point where we get near or even hit 100 million. They're projecting at least 80 million for 2016 barring some sort of cap smoothing process (that I doubt the players would agree to anyway).

[Indomitable]

The Cavs' owner is a banker and casino guy. He has money coming out the wazoo and when the Cavs were good, he spent it on them. They had one of the highest payrolls in the league for several years and also had one of the highest revenues.

The Cavs aren't going to be broken up over money. Kyrie is already locked up. Love is locked up. Lebron will re-sign. Varejao isn't going to leave. We are basically talking about Dion Waiters as a restricted free agent here.

Love is not locked up. He a free agent next or the preceding yearn Tristan is a free agent next year. Have you been to Cleveland it really is not a great place to live. All those guys get big offers because of their youth and the surplus of cash that will be available.

Lebron already said he wanted max money
Tristan was talking 12million even before the new tv deal was announced or do you believe he is giving a discount.
Love is going to a free agent next season with opting out or in 2016.
Then you have Waiters who believe he is the second best player on that team.

That cap money will burn up quick or do think they all will stay in Cleveland for less.
Miami will have money, New york, LA, Houston, Dallas, ..... so on.

Again, if Tristan is worth $12M, the Cavs are going to cakewalk to an NBA title. He is about their 6th or 7th best player.
If the Cavs give all these guys max money, their owner can afford it. People seem to be forgetting that the owner had an $80M payroll in 2010. I believe that's more than the Bulls have ever had. He isn't going to refuse to have a $100M payroll in 2018 or so.

Again, if Tristan is worth $12M, the Cavs are going to cakewalk to an NBA title. He is about their 6th or 7th best player.

What does actual worth have to do with the market place. Someone will offer him at least that.

If the Cavs give all these guys max money, their owner can afford it. People seem to be forgetting that the owner had an $80M payroll in 2010. I believe that's more than the Bulls have ever had. He isn't going to refuse to have a $100M payroll in 2018 or so.

The luxury tax and restrictions will happen and some players will chose to leave. Lebron also turn 30 this year or do you believe the 40000 minutes he has played will not take a toll.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Time to bust out this gem fellas, time to use it again.

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