Update: Butler out 2-4 Weeks (pg 3)

[Wont PerDont]

His sprain was caused by the ball, I doubt it tore any ligaments

every sprain tears ligaments to some degree. Some are minor, some are more serious and take more time to heal short of surgery.

Ehh, you can stretch ligaments and by definition sprain a joint. It's just a severity issue and hopefully it's closer to that end with Jimmy.

[LoveDaBoo]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again here: this is bad. I sprained my thumb on October 1st of last year, and it was still very much bothering me at the start of the summer. The first few months, it was very difficult for me to hold a pen, because the pressure was too much. These things take forever to heal, and there's nothing you can do about it.

That said, it's his non-shooting hand, so he at least has that going for him. But I'd bet it bothers him all season long, and he re-aggravates it fairly regularly.

Eh, sprained thumb on non-shooting hand. It may bother him all season but I doubt it will have much if any impact on his play (except for him maybe not being as hot to start the season).

Well, you often hold the ball with two hands and you pass with two hands. His grip will suck, badly. Someone shook my hand in May, and I winced.

[RebuildaBulls]

Well he can still run, hope he keeps his conditioning up. He started last year strong till an injury caused him to miss games and wasnt the same after, hope its not a repeat

[Ice Man]

Disappointing. But a hand is better than a foot, and a foot is better than a knee, and a nonshooting hand is best of all of them. Looking on the bright side.

[fleet]

A knee equals two feet

[LoveDaBoo]

Disappointing. But a hand is better than a foot, and a foot is better than a knee, and a nonshooting hand is best of all of them. Looking on the bright side.

I guess, but a thumb is bad. When you injure your thumb, you realize quickly how bad it is. I've also had turf-toe (both the thumb and the toe were the result of bike crashes), and the thumb was probably worse for me. Both took like a year to heal to the point where they didn't hurt under the slightest pressure. Both still hurt to a degree.

Jimmy will still be able to move around fine, but passing, catching, picking up loose balls.. these will all be problems. Plus you're generally protective of the injury, and you just generally use your hands lots in basketball.

[RedBulls23]

Disappointing. But a hand is better than a foot, and a foot is better than a knee, and a nonshooting hand is best of all of them. Looking on the bright side.

I guess, but a thumb is bad. When you injure your thumb, you realize quickly how bad it is. I've also had turf-toe (both the thumb and the toe were the result of bike crashes), and the thumb was probably worse for me. Both took like a year to heal to the point where they didn't hurt under the slightest pressure. Both still hurt to a degree.

Jimmy will still be able to move around fine, but passing, catching, picking up loose balls.. these will all be problems. Plus you're generally protective of the injury, and you just generally use your hands lots in basketball.

I'm thinking yours might have been much worse than Jimmy's no?

[LoveDaBoo]

Disappointing. But a hand is better than a foot, and a foot is better than a knee, and a nonshooting hand is best of all of them. Looking on the bright side.

I guess, but a thumb is bad. When you injure your thumb, you realize quickly how bad it is. I've also had turf-toe (both the thumb and the toe were the result of bike crashes), and the thumb was probably worse for me. Both took like a year to heal to the point where they didn't hurt under the slightest pressure. Both still hurt to a degree.

Jimmy will still be able to move around fine, but passing, catching, picking up loose balls.. these will all be problems. Plus you're generally protective of the injury, and you just generally use your hands lots in basketball.

I'm thinking yours might have been much worse than Jimmy's no?

Based on his reaction, no. Your big toes and your thumbs are constantly used. It's very hard to heal either, because you constantly reinjure either. I sustained various injuries in both cases, so it wasn't immediately obvious that the thumb or the toe was going to be the worst, but even if either had been, I don't know I would have reacted as much as Jimmy. He was clearly in a lot of pain. My hope is that he jammed his thumb or something, because I'm telling you, a big-time sprained thumb is real trouble.

[dumbell78]

Give him the time he needs to heal, really won't kill us if he sits for two weeks or so. I don't want him to be hurt all year long with a nagging thumb injury. We can manage somehow this early.

[IWannaGoHIGHER]

Lets not judge severity when we have absolutely nothing to base it off of.

But this is the Bulls board ... so eh **** it

[Ugly Duckling]

I sprained my thumb the same exact way. I was fine in a few days.

[RebuildaBulls]

I sprained my thumb the same exact way. I was fine in a few days.

I actually sprained my thumb the same way he did back in highschool ball. Cant say we have the exact same severity but mine was fine in less than 10 days. I probably sprained, dislocated or jammed all my fingers at different times from bad catches or swatting the ball.

[johnnyvann840]

I just hope he can play in the opener in NYC. Out of everyone on the team, other than Derrick, Jimmy is the one guy we cannot afford to have go down for any significant time. Jimmy out really screws up the rotations. It forces Kirk to the 2 and forces big minutes for Brooks and more for Snell. Great for the PS, but not when it counts, I weakens the team at the thinnest spot and really hurts the bench, too.

[madvillian]

I guess, but a thumb is bad. When you injure your thumb, you realize quickly how bad it is. I've also had turf-toe (both the thumb and the toe were the result of bike crashes), and the thumb was probably worse for me. Both took like a year to heal to the point where they didn't hurt under the slightest pressure. Both still hurt to a degree.

Jimmy will still be able to move around fine, but passing, catching, picking up loose balls.. these will all be problems. Plus you're generally protective of the injury, and you just generally use your hands lots in basketball.

I'm thinking yours might have been much worse than Jimmy's no?

Based on his reaction, no. Your big toes and your thumbs are constantly used. It's very hard to heal either, because you constantly reinjure either. I sustained various injuries in both cases, so it wasn't immediately obvious that the thumb or the toe was going to be the worst, but even if either had been, I don't know I would have reacted as much as Jimmy. He was clearly in a lot of pain. My hope is that he jammed his thumb or something, because I'm telling you, a big-time sprained thumb is real trouble.

Getting old sucks man. I'm 31 now, I'm pretty active and I've got quite a few nagging little issues. One of them is turf toe. Hiking aggravates it the most although tennis isn't great for it either.

I can't even really play basketball much anymore too hard on my knees. Maybe if I dropped down to like 12-15% body fat I could play but at 20% no way. I'm not even that out of shape but the 15 extra lbs are a lot harder to carry at 31 than 21. I feel pretty lucky too I know more than one person around my age that can't really do much of any sports anymore because of old injuries. My knees and joints are relatively intact as I hit middle age, knock on wood.

anyways, back on topic, I think Jimmy will miss 3-4 weeks. That should be the time frame. It's one thing to have every day use back but he can't keep re-injuring it constantly and then have offseason surgery. Let it heal.

[maynardo]

We really need another wing defender, I mean Dunleavy was guarding LeBron against Cleveland, that's fine in preseason, but if Jimmy gets injured in the playoffs we're gonna get killed on the perimeter. I kinda expected the bulls to keep R Brewer just as wing defender insurance,

[madvillian]

We really need another wing defender, I mean Dunleavy was guarding LeBron against Cleveland, that's fine in preseason, but if Jimmy gets injured in the playoffs we're gonna get killed on the perimeter. I kinda expected the bulls to keep R Brewer just as wing defender insurance,

It sucks that Snell sucks.

[johnnyvann840]

They just said on CSN the MRI results show no ligament tears at all. They actually said no ligament damage. They're still keeping him out Friday, which is smart. But, this sounds like the kind that heals in days and not weeks. GREAT news.

It would be really bad if it's the kind of thing that keeps you out for weeks and there's severe ligament damage.. those are the ones like what LoveDaBoos is talking about that linger for months and months and sometimes over a year.I've had those, where just shaking hands the wrong way with someone would hurt and aggravate it. It lasted for about a year. That's the kind of thing that F'd up Luol Deng.. He never really got his money midrange shot back... even still it seems.

[kyrv]

They just said on CSN the MRI results show no ligament tears at all. They actually said no ligament damage. They're still keeping him out Friday, which is smart. But, this sounds like the kind that heals in days and not weeks. GREAT news.

It would be really bad if it's the kind of thing that keeps you out for weeks and there's severe ligament damage.. those are the ones like what LoveDaBoos is talking about that linger for months and months and sometimes over a year.I've had those, where just shaking hands the wrong way with someone would hurt and aggravate it. It lasted for about a year. That's the kind of thing that F'd up Luol Deng.. He never really got his money midrange shot back... even still it seems.

Thanks that is awesome.

I agree Butler out is bad.

Oddly enough for the Brooks haters Kirk is 3rd worse after Rose and Butler.

[Future Coach]

I've hurt my left thumb too. Broke it in two places in one event, and years later dislocated it playing basketball. So my injuries are different than Butler's, and hopefully mine are considerably more serious than his. A thumb is very easy to re-injure; especially playing basketball. The way I have re-injured mine the most playing basketball is the very same way Butler hurt his in the first place, reaching into the passing lane to get a steal. Since he is active in the passing lanes, I think it is entirely plausible he will re-injure it. He will need to deflect the ball with the side of his hand by the pinky if he doesn't want to re-injure it, and since he plays at higher speeds than I do/did that might be a harder adjustment for him to make than it was for me. Hopefully he recovers and heals quickly, because thumb injuries do impact your ability to dribble with that hand, finish around the basket with that hand, and just overall confidently reach out and make plays with that hand.

But hopefully his thumb isn't hurt that bad and they can tape it comfortably, though I never really found a good way

Heal quickly Jimmy, heal quickly

[MrSparkle]

I've had 2 major thumb sprains from B-ball... Took me years to "fully" recover, but I didn't properly treat them. It took months before I could take a lot of pressure on them, but still, problem re-injury becomes a problem, and having a torn ligament is very bad.

It's a bummer as he was having a great pre-season before the injury (just like LAST YEAR!!! hope it's not the same), but fortunately it's his left hand (non-shooting, right?)... he's a very pesky player and he's putting his hands in dangerous spots (picking passes, crashing the glass), so I really hope he has a swift recovery.