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Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II

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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1401 » by Dan Z » Thu Oct 1, 2015 4:36 am

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Denver wasn't fleeced, I just find it kind of comical that nobody beat Cleveland's offer. His value was low but Mozgov was a fairly known commodity, but he wasn't getting the opportunity he deserved due to all the log-jams, coaching changes and locker-room turbulence.

Ultimately, it always comes down to this -- teams that over-value their draft picks (cough, Chicago) don't make the moves needed to really become contenders.

I'm not saying to pull a Brooklyn Nets and mindlessly throw away lotto picks for the next 5 years for very questionable acquisitions, but sometimes it's better to get the mid-level veteran rotation player over a Snell, McDermott or worse yet, Teague. If these guys pan out, it takes 2+ years before they contribute at a high level, and in that team, you can easily clear for cap-space to acquire the player you want.

The Cavs gave away 2 first round picks for a backup C. Not sure how much more another team was going to give them.

I think 2 1sts is a little misleading. They are both at the end of the first round. It's not like they got lotto picks. The chances of the Cav's drafting a serviceable center with either of those picks was slim.


Jimmy Butler was a late first round pick.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1402 » by TheStig » Thu Oct 1, 2015 2:39 pm

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Red-Bulls83 wrote:The Cavs gave away 2 first round picks for a backup C. Not sure how much more another team was going to give them.

I think 2 1sts is a little misleading. They are both at the end of the first round. It's not like they got lotto picks. The chances of the Cav's drafting a serviceable center with either of those picks was slim.


Jimmy Butler was a late first round pick.

For every Jimmy Butler there are far more Marquis Teagues.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1403 » by MrSparkle » Thu Oct 1, 2015 4:39 pm

Exactly. Not to mention you can generally "buy" a 30th pick with a measly offer in almost any draft. You don't need to stockpile late-1st for the greater chance of getting the next Jimmy.

He was truly a great pickup, but if you think about it, the 3-year turn-around is the same as clearing cap for a max contract; he's now a $95m player. You got 2 bargain seasons (1 developmental).

Again, the problem is the Bulls' off-season preparation. I'd say there were only 3 seasons in this FO's history where they really came in with an optimistic, stacked team:

2007, 2010, 2014

Good late 1st picks are nice pats-on-the-back, but you hardly improve your title/playoff chances with such moves. You need to either combine those with expensive trade or FA targets. Wish Wallace and Boozer had more to contribute, but other options existed.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1404 » by FreakMaster » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:59 am

Tony Snell and Taj Gibson to the Wolves for Gorgui Dieng and a future 1st rd draft pick. Top 10 protected.
Tony Snell and Taj Gibson to the Lakers for Jordan Clarkson, Robert Sacre and a 2nd rd draft pick.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1405 » by FreakMaster » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:13 am

Tony Snell and Taj Gibson to the Raptors for James Johnson, Rookie Norman Powell and a future 1st rd draft pick.
Tony Snell and Taj Gibson to the Kings for Rudy Gay,& Darren Collison
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1406 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:57 am

I wonder if the Bulls could swing a deal for Darren Collison?

Does Snell, Brooks (he can be traded in December I think) and a draft pick get a deal done?
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1407 » by GimmeDat » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:07 am

Red-Bulls83 wrote:I wonder if the Bulls could swing a deal for Darren Collison?

Does Snell, Brooks (he can be traded in December I think) and a draft pick get a deal done?


I like that idea a lot, fair value and Snell could probably get minutes over Caron Butler at SF for them. Collison would be a great addition for us.

I always bring him up in this thread, but I think it's worth keeping an eye on McLemore as well. I know we're not exactly in the hunt for a SG, but with Belinelli in good form I think McLemore is going to struggle to break out for the Kings, and in his 3rd year now, his value is probably going down. I'm a believer though, and I think he'd be a great fit here. Built to get out in transition and to spot up as a complementary player.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1408 » by EastBayFJ » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:38 am

Noah and Brooks for Adams , Augustin, Morrow and Novak

Noah on a 1 year rental to go all in with KD and reunite with Billy Donovan
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1409 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:53 am

I think Brooks has a no trade clause.


Chicago out: Gibson, Snell, Bairstow, 2nd round pick.
Chicago in: PJ Tucker, Darren Collison, Jon leuer

Kings Out: Darren Collison
Kings in: Snell, Bairstow, 2nd round pick

Suns out: Tucker, Leuer
Suns in: Gibson
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1410 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:58 am

If Brooks can't be traded, then do Snell, Kirk and a future draft pick for Collison.

I don't think trading Taj is a good idea anymore.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1411 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:01 am

I'd hate trading Taj also but I can't see them parting ways with Hinrich.

The front office loves that guy. But who knows, they've done it before.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1412 » by sco » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:18 pm

I think the team we should target is the Mav's they're relying on McGee, Daly and Zaza. Give me any one of those back for Noah along with a pick.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1413 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:20 pm

sco wrote:I think the team we should target is the Mav's they're relying on McGee, Daly and Zaza. Give me any one of those back for Noah along with a pick.

Bulls need a backup pg. Do they still have Devin Harris?
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1414 » by mademan » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:31 pm

sco wrote:I think the team we should target is the Mav's they're relying on McGee, Daly and Zaza. Give me any one of those back for Noah along with a pick.


DAL is a team thats likely going to tank this year. Matthews out for a while, no good C, tough West and they owe a top 7 protected pick...they have every incentive to tank. I can see Cuban trading Dirk if Dirk wants another shot at a title
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Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1415 » by Mattchoo » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:43 pm

This trade is for BENCH scoring purposes and injury backup! It may have to be after MDJ comes back tho.


Noah and Snell for Eric Gordon.

Keep Felicio and Bairstow on both on roster.


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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1416 » by MrSparkle » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:17 pm

Taj/Snell for Markieff Morris/Goodwin.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1417 » by Air Dion » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:36 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Taj/Snell for Markieff Morris/Goodwin.

I don-t really see what we would win by this. We trade Taj for Morris, which for me is an absolute no.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1418 » by MC3 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:51 pm

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Red-Bulls83 wrote:I wonder if the Bulls could swing a deal for Darren Collison?

Does Snell, Brooks (he can be traded in December I think) and a draft pick get a deal done?


I like that idea a lot, fair value and Snell could probably get minutes over Caron Butler at SF for them. Collison would be a great addition for us.

I always bring him up in this thread, but I think it's worth keeping an eye on McLemore as well. I know we're not exactly in the hunt for a SG, but with Belinelli in good form I think McLemore is going to struggle to break out for the Kings, and in his 3rd year now, his value is probably going down. I'm a believer though, and I think he'd be a great fit here. Built to get out in transition and to spot up as a complementary player.

I have similar opinion on McLemore-Belinelli situation and McLemore as fit.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1419 » by NecessaryEvil » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:33 pm

Taj is so low maintenance, no way would I trade him for that damn male diva.

I think Noah to OKC makes alot of sense. Problem is, getting any big just puts us in more of a jam.
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Re: Official 2015-16 Trade Thread pt II 

Post#1420 » by MrSparkle » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:30 pm

Truth is that Markieff is 5x the player Taj is, though. He's a perimeter-skilled PF with the size and athleticism to guard Lebron, Love or Thompson.

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