Bulls Should Pursue These Remaining Free Agents

TimRobbins · Post #21 » by **TimRobbins** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 4:04 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:Great argument. Nuanced and rich. Would read again.

OK, some actual substance. I don't have a real issue with the Bulls refusing to pay the tax to keep Eddy Curry or Ben Gordon. Those were not bad decisions. They paid the tax in 2013 and they're paying it this season. So not now, not ever, except for when they do.

I'm willing to bet they don't pay it this season. If they salary dump Taj to avoid the tax, will you still believe they will pay it in the future?

BR0D1E86 · Post #22 » by **BR0D1E86** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 4:11 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:Great argument. Nuanced and rich. Would read again.

OK, some actual substance. I don't have a real issue with the Bulls refusing to pay the tax to keep Eddy Curry or Ben Gordon. Those were not bad decisions. They paid the tax in 2013 and they're paying it this season. So not now, not ever, except for when they do.

I'm willing to bet they don't pay it this season. If they salary dump Taj to avoid the tax, will you still believe they will pay it in the future?

Yes. Unless you think they're so inept that they accidentally paid it without realizing that it was going to happen a couple of years ago.

kodo · Post #23 » by **kodo** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 4:20 pm

Green is probably either staying with PHO or going to Boston, that’s the only Gerald Green FA rumor I’ve read. There’s no way Green should take $3M when guys like Cory Joseph are getting $7.5M per year.

Evil_Headband · Post #24 » by **Evil_Headband** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 4:25 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:Great argument. Nuanced and rich. Would read again.

OK, some actual substance. I don't have a real issue with the Bulls refusing to pay the tax to keep Eddy Curry or Ben Gordon. Those were not bad decisions. They paid the tax in 2013 and they're paying it this season. So not now, not ever, except for when they do.

I'm willing to bet they don't pay it this season. If they salary dump Taj to avoid the tax, will you still believe they will pay it in the future?

This would be hard even if they tried. There won't be many (any?) teams with the cap space or unguaranteed contracts.

Proven_Winner · Post #25 » by **Proven_Winner** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 4:25 pm

If all options are dried up then why would he turn down 3mil? Maybe he won't get signed by us, but its still a possibility and not every player thinks about what others are making some players want to be on a team for different reasons other than money.

pylb · Post #26 » by **pylb** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 4:26 pm

Green is a bit of a hot head and a streaky shooter. I really don't think he's a hot commodity. A solid wing player, but if I had to guess Alan Anderson is more valued than Gerald Green amongst GMs.

TimRobbins · Post #27 » by **TimRobbins** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:08 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:This would be hard even if they tried. There won't be many (any?) teams with the cap space or unguaranteed contracts.

Philly always has capspace for these type of deals. Utah too. It will happen.

pylb · Post #28 » by **pylb** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:09 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:This would be hard even if they tried. There won't be many (any?) teams with the cap space or unguaranteed contracts.

Philly always has capspace for these type of deals. Utah too. It will happen.

Philly only accepts dumps if they get a draft pick. Bulls don't give away draft picks to dump salary.

TimRobbins · Post #29 » by **TimRobbins** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:09 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:Great argument. Nuanced and rich. Would read again.

OK, some actual substance. I don't have a real issue with the Bulls refusing to pay the tax to keep Eddy Curry or Ben Gordon. Those were not bad decisions. They paid the tax in 2013 and they're paying it this season. So not now, not ever, except for when they do.

I'm willing to bet they don't pay it this season. If they salary dump Taj to avoid the tax, will you still believe they will pay it in the future?

Yes. Unless you think they're so inept that they accidentally paid it without realizing that it was going to happen a couple of years ago.

Yes, it was accidental. They couldn't dump Hamilton.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #30 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:11 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
I'm willing to bet they don't pay it this season. If they salary dump Taj to avoid the tax, will you still believe they will pay it in the future?

Yes. Unless you think they're so inept that they accidentally paid it without realizing that it was going to happen a couple of years ago.

Yes, it was accidental. They couldn't dump Hamilton.

Did they accidentally sign him to the contract as well?

TimRobbins · Post #31 » by **TimRobbins** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:34 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:Yes. Unless you think they're so inept that they accidentally paid it without realizing that it was going to happen a couple of years ago.

Yes, it was accidental. They couldn't dump Hamilton.

Did they accidentally sign him to the contract as well?

Yes. They did.

KwaZulu · Post #32 » by **KwaZulu** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:34 pm

Bulls should offer Noah to Clippers for Stephenson. Clippers need a big man in the worst way. Stephenson would help. Both are injury concerns and who knows the Clips may bite.

Ralphb07 · Post #33 » by **Ralphb07** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:42 pm

Ben Gordon might be a nice target. He hasn't been on a good team that needs just bench scoring. After seeing how free agency is playing out he isn't a bad choice

qianlong · Post #34 » by **qianlong** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 5:47 pm

Can we do a sign and trade for green? I think taj is much more valuable but since I believe we are going to trade him to cut costs anyway I'm starting to explore lower value options

DarthDiggler69 · Post #35 » by **DarthDiggler69** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 6:04 pm

Something must be wrong with Gerald Green if no team is signing him

punkmodafunk · Post #36 » by **punkmodafunk** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 7:20 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:We are playing the waiting game. Once teams are done spending and the money dries up, we will use the MMLE to get someone.

Yep. Probably garbage. :nod:

Leslie Forman · Post #37 » by **Leslie Forman** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 7:29 pm

pylb wrote:Philly only accepts dumps if they get a draft pick. Bulls don't give away draft picks to dump salary.

They did exactly that to get rid of Hinrich.

pylb · Post #38 » by **pylb** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 7:30 pm

tong po wrote:
pylb wrote:Philly only accepts dumps if they get a draft pick. Bulls don't give away draft picks to dump salary.

They did exactly that to get rid of Hinrich.

That was to clear space to sign someone. Not get out of the tax.

Leslie Forman · Post #39 » by **Leslie Forman** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 7:33 pm

pylb wrote:That was to clear space to sign someone. Not get out of the tax.

Well you didn't write that caveat.

pylb · Post #40 » by **pylb** » Mon Jul 6, 2015 7:33 pm

tong po wrote:
pylb wrote:That was to clear space to sign someone. Not get out of the tax.

Well you didn't write that caveat.

That was what the discussion was about originally.