tobias harris anybody?

[No-Man]

Oladipo makes the most sense to be moved imo.. You would think Fournier is a better fit next to Payton.

I would be up for Oladipo, but if indeed Harris is available, you have to pursue that as well. Maybe not the ideal fit at SF, but we need a talent injection, specifically a youthful one, and Harris fits the bill. Where we're at right now, I don't think looking at current fit is that big of an issue anyway.. we're going to be in a transition phase, and if you can get a young talented player, you got to go for it.

Their best lineup theoretically is Payton-Fournier-Hezonja-Gordon-Vucevic

Oladipo is a worse player than Evan and he doesnt cope well with not been the starter, he plays out of control a little too much

[aramada]

Harris is a good midrange and interior scorer, but he's not good at shooting 3s. If either Butler or Rose were good at shooting 3s, it wouldn't hurt grabbing a player like him. The team would be better off getting a wing that can shoot better IMO.

He came back down a bit this year (31%) but last year was more than decent (37%). You have to take a risk and bet on the fact that he'll continue improving and that he'll get more open look with Rose and Butler driving. He's 23 and on a reasonable long contract (considering what we are about to see starting this offseason). I think it is worth the bet

[R3AL1TY]

Harris is a good midrange and interior scorer, but he's not good at shooting 3s. If either Butler or Rose were good at shooting 3s, it wouldn't hurt grabbing a player like him. The team would be better off getting a wing that can shoot better IMO.

He came back down a bit this year (31%) but last year was more than decent (37%). You have to take a risk and bet on the fact that he'll continue improving and that he'll get more open look with Rose and Butler driving. He's 23 and on a reasonable long contract (considering what we are about to see starting this offseason). I think it is worth the bet

If he had more than one good 3 point shooting year previously, I would agree, but to me he is what he has mainly shown...a good midrange, in the paint scorer. Rose and Butler driving could become difficult with a player that does not create more space.

[Payt10]

I think Gibson would have to be part of the deal for Harris. But a very serious problem is the tremendous roster imbalance that happens if you make that trade. Gibson+sweeteners for Harris. You end up with Dunleavy, Harris, McDermott, Mirotic. A bevy of 3/4's and 4/3's with stretch capability that probably don't play very well in any combination with each other. There would have to be a secondary trade or an expansion of the first to balance it out.

The guy I'd be trying to get right now is Oladipo. Now he'd be an excellent fit.

Wouldn't Oladipo crush the spacing? Unless he plays point and Rose is shipped out.

That's exactly what I would expect. Oladipo replaces Rose.

[Pnjguy]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

[Rerisen]

Would have made more sense to try and get him last year, when we would have controlled his rights and been able to match him at far less salary.

[nitetrain8603]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

Talent wise I love that trade. Replacing specialists who aren't that special at all with two way players is what this team needs to do. With that said, Morris concerns me with him being away from his brother. In the end, I'd still jump on the deal.

Also, Oladipo is not on the block. He's the starter now and he's been doing really good for Orlando. If anyone is getting moved in that backcourt, its Payton. He doesn't fit in the starting lineup for Skiles. Even then, I don't think he's being traded either.

I'd dump everyone not named Rose or Butler and rebuild/tool around those two. I'd make this trade and try to acquire Whiteside as well. I think Pau for Whiteside and filler can definitely work.

Whiteside
Morris
Harris
Butler
Rose

That's a starting and finishing 5 which can play both sides good and have roles on offense. Get a strong combo guard off the bench like a Livingston type or even Jamal Crawford type, then Portis, is your backup anchor. The rest can go to specialists.

[MC3]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

Talent wise I love that trade. Replacing specialists who aren't that special at all with two way players is what this team needs to do. With that said, Morris concerns me with him being away from his brother. In the end, I'd still jump on the deal.

Also, Oladipo is not on the block. He's the starter now and he's been doing really good for Orlando. If anyone is getting moved in that backcourt, its Payton. He doesn't fit in the starting lineup for Skiles. Even then, I don't think he's being traded either.

I'd dump everyone not named Rose or Butler and rebuild/tool around those two. I'd make this trade and try to acquire Whiteside as well. I think Pau for Whiteside and filler can definitely work.

Whiteside
Morris
Harris
Butler
Rose

That's a starting and finishing 5 which can play both sides good and have roles on offense. Get a strong combo guard off the bench like a Livingston type or even Jamal Crawford type, then Portis, is your backup anchor. The rest can go to specialists.

That's ultimate bad boy team. Damn now I want to see them.

[danzou]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

Talent wise I love that trade. Replacing specialists who aren't that special at all with two way players is what this team needs to do. With that said, Morris concerns me with him being away from his brother. In the end, I'd still jump on the deal.

Also, Oladipo is not on the block. He's the starter now and he's been doing really good for Orlando. If anyone is getting moved in that backcourt, its Payton. He doesn't fit in the starting lineup for Skiles. Even then, I don't think he's being traded either.

I'd dump everyone not named Rose or Butler and rebuild/tool around those two. I'd make this trade and try to acquire Whiteside as well. I think Pau for Whiteside and filler can definitely work.

Whiteside
Morris
Harris
Butler
Rose

That's a starting and finishing 5 which can play both sides good and have roles on offense. Get a strong combo guard off the bench like a Livingston type or even Jamal Crawford type, then Portis, is your backup anchor. The rest can go to specialists.

I like the way you think. Not sold on Markieff being a "2 way" player though. But not a liability either.

[bearadonisdna]

Yes! For what idk

[ADDinChicago]

If we're just doing fantasy trades just for you know whats and giggles...

Gibson, MJD, Snell & McDermott for Harris

[danzou]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

Talent wise I love that trade. Replacing specialists who aren't that special at all with two way players is what this team needs to do. With that said, Morris concerns me with him being away from his brother. In the end, I'd still jump on the deal.

Also, Oladipo is not on the block. He's the starter now and he's been doing really good for Orlando. If anyone is getting moved in that backcourt, its Payton. He doesn't fit in the starting lineup for Skiles. Even then, I don't think he's being traded either.

I'd dump everyone not named Rose or Butler and rebuild/tool around those two. I'd make this trade and try to acquire Whiteside as well. I think Pau for Whiteside and filler can definitely work.

Whiteside
Morris
Harris
Butler
Rose

That's a starting and finishing 5 which can play both sides good and have roles on offense. Get a strong combo guard off the bench like a Livingston type or even Jamal Crawford type, then Portis, is your backup anchor. The rest can go to specialists.

Could we even offer Whiteside the max if we took on Harris and Markieff?

[Young Thunder]

Would you do something like:

Gibson+Noah+McDermott/Portis X Harris+Nicholson+Dedmon/Napier?

[Pnjguy]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

Talent wise I love that trade. Replacing specialists who aren't that special at all with two way players is what this team needs to do. With that said, Morris concerns me with him being away from his brother. In the end, I'd still jump on the deal.

Also, Oladipo is not on the block. He's the starter now and he's been doing really good for Orlando. If anyone is getting moved in that backcourt, its Payton. He doesn't fit in the starting lineup for Skiles. Even then, I don't think he's being traded either.

I'd dump everyone not named Rose or Butler and rebuild/tool around those two. I'd make this trade and try to acquire Whiteside as well. I think Pau for Whiteside and filler can definitely work.

Whiteside
Morris
Harris
Butler
Rose

That's a starting and finishing 5 which can play both sides good and have roles on offense. Get a strong combo guard off the bench like a Livingston type or even Jamal Crawford type, then Portis, is your backup anchor. The rest can go to specialists.

Could we even offer Whiteside the max if we took on Harris and Markieff?

No.

[Pnjguy]

Would you do something like:

Gibson+Noah+McDermott/Portis X Harris+Nicholson+Dedmon/Napier?

no

[nitetrain8603]

Harris really is the perfect player to go after. He's locked into his contract, young, a wing, can play the 4.

This trade works

Bulls get : Tobias Harris, Markeiff Morris

Suns get: Mirotic, Brooks

Orlando get: Gibson, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings pick.

Rose/ Hinrich
Butler/ Moore
Harris/ McDermott
Morris/ Bairstow
Portis/ Felicio/ Noah

Dump Pau to get under the tax for this year.

Talent wise I love that trade. Replacing specialists who aren't that special at all with two way players is what this team needs to do. With that said, Morris concerns me with him being away from his brother. In the end, I'd still jump on the deal.

Also, Oladipo is not on the block. He's the starter now and he's been doing really good for Orlando. If anyone is getting moved in that backcourt, its Payton. He doesn't fit in the starting lineup for Skiles. Even then, I don't think he's being traded either.

I'd dump everyone not named Rose or Butler and rebuild/tool around those two. I'd make this trade and try to acquire Whiteside as well. I think Pau for Whiteside and filler can definitely work.

Whiteside
Morris
Harris
Butler
Rose

That's a starting and finishing 5 which can play both sides good and have roles on offense. Get a strong combo guard off the bench like a Livingston type or even Jamal Crawford type, then Portis, is your backup anchor. The rest can go to specialists.

Could we even offer Whiteside the max if we took on Harris and Markieff?

Markieff is on a very friendly contract as is Tobias. Its really dependent on what the cap number goes up to and in what order you perform the transactions.

[musiqsoulchild]

Yes please....anybody at SF other than the total crap that Gar and Pax have assembled at SF.

I mean: Tony Snell / McDermott and now old man Dunleavy.

WTF is that?

[AirP.]

Anyone wanting some more info on Tobias... Zach Lowe had a nice article and examples on him at the end of last season.

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-good-the-bad-and-the-tobias/

[Pnjguy]

Bulls get: Tobias Harris, Channing Frye, Markieff Morris

Orlando get: Gibson, Noah, Dunleavy, Snell, Kings' pick

Phoenix get: Mirotic, Brooks

[R3AL1TY]

From that Grantland article:

“It’s always, ‘Oh, why doesn’t he pass more?’”

Harris has a quick trigger, but he’s not accurate enough to justify jacking long jumpers early in the shot clock. His shot selection rankled some within the Magic organization.

^^^The last thing the Bulls need and another player to be the board's whipping boy. He's still a good player, but he may not be discipline enough to play within his strengths.