DanTown8587 wrote:MC3 wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:I get that people want to feel like they have a say in a product they consume but I highly doubt any of this (petitions, drop in ratings, lack of team success) will ultimately fire Gar Forman. Jerry, and this could almost be construed as a fault, is a loyal guy. He's had 3 GM's in his tenure as owner of 30 years. He's done a lot of things that seem driven by personal beliefs over financial or basketball sense (i.e his negotations with Deng/Gordon; saying no to D'Antoni; his hiring of Thibs; his second contract to Pippen; naming Paxson GM over BJ, the rise of Forman through the organization). Maybe Michael sees things differently than Jerry but unless Jerry dies, I have to imagine that a conversation about this will ultimately heavily include Jerry and Jerry doesn't seem to run his franchise this way. Everyone can point to Thibs but even the Thibs thing was more of a Jerry felt offended over "Tom didn't get the job done/cost me money" type firing.
I think for Gar to be fired, he needs to lose the trust of JR. I simply don't think that trust is cultivated and depends on tv ratings, wins/losses, dollars or other tangible things. I'm not saying Gar deserves to keep his job but that history says JR is WAAAAAAAAY more motivated by loyalty and personal relationships than dollars. And more than dollars, if you want Gar to get fired, I think you need Gar to affront JR's senses somehow.
We already had rumour from Cowley how Gar is going around the league saying "this [garbage team] isnt his fault". And you know that one thing Jerry doesnt like, it's to not keep things private in Bulls organization. Which ultimately is reason why Thibs was fired.
So we have one rumor from Joe Cowley (amazing how the credibility of the source changes with their reporting) that hasn't been picked up by any other media source. The Thibs thing was an obvious "everyone in basketball is talking about" thing. If that happens with Gar, I'll assume he'll find the same fate.
Also, I'm not sure there's a person alive JR might trust less than Joe Cowley.
Again, everyone is hoping JR is driven by the dollars (lack of playoff revenue, TV ratings decline) but everytime JR makes a decision, it's RARELY just the dollars.
I mean, the entire agenda last season was this:
Thibs was injuring the players - This season Noah and Butler came back too soon and got injured. Butler in particular played 47 minutes the game before his injury
Thibs wasn't developing the young talent - Doug isn't NBA level, Snell has regressed and Niko has gotten worse
Thibs couldn't get the players to buy into his vision - Fred doesn't have a handle on this team. Players are all going in different directions and it's ugly.
Thibs had his agenda in the media too much - The Butler hit piece after he called out Fred was ugly. The FO (Gar) is doing the same thing that got Thibs fired.
So the bill of goods that we were sold last season/off-season was 100% off base. If that doesn't offend your sensibilities as an owner, then I don't know what would.
