Trade Thread - Merging

[Big Pippen]

If Sacramento values WCS too highly to trade, I think Skal Labissiere would be a really interesting player in Hoiberg's system. You would be taking him on upside and tools, not based on anything he showed at Kentucky. But he is going to be a specialist, and those types are not going to shine in UK's pickup ball style. I know he looked spazzy, confused, and weak a lot of the time. But there just are not many bigs that can play above the rim and shoot the three.

A lineup of: Labissiere (at #14), Mirotic, McDermott, Butler, and Delladova (FA) gives you defenders at your three key defensive spots (C, wing, PG) and four really good shooters to surround Butler with. Gibson and Holiday as defenders off the bench. Obviously this projects moving on from Rose. If Paxson does want to build around Butler and put the ball in his hands as much as possible, I think this is the type of roster to put around him.

Also, I think even Labissiere's fans agree that he will give you nothing for the first year or two.

[sco]

It's a shame that Thibs ended up on Minny. I would have overpaid to get Dieng in a Trade. Wonder if we could trade Taj and 14 for him? Only shame is that Kirk is gone, he'd do Kirk for Dieng straight-up.

[Southpaw]

Longtime lurker here!
I'm a big proponent of the youth movement and like the idea of moving Jimmy for more options.
Bulls in:
#7
#15
Jokic
Harris.
Maybe take in Chandler if we must.

I would draft...
#7 - the best PG prospect
#14 - Luwawu
#15 - Labissiere - take a flyer on the kid and develop him slowly

Then I'd trade away everyone to throw big money at Batum and Fournier, plus give Noah a short deal

Rose/Moore/#7
Fournier/Harris/Holiday
Batum/Luwawu
Mirotic/Portis
Noah/Jokic/Labiessiere

That's a team chock full of youth and potential. Does that work financially?

Jokic is close to untouchable for the Nuggets and they're trading 2 top 15 picks without getting a pick back plus Harris for Butler? That's an easy NO from the Nuggets. They may be willing to trade Nurkic.

[SpinninHouse]

Was on the Sacramento board inquiring about WCS. It doesn't appear like they want anything we have -- short of Jimmy Butler. They value him pretty highly.

[realEAST]

Was on the Sacramento board inquiring about WCS. It doesn't appear like they want anything we have -- short of Jimmy Butler. They value him pretty highly.

Honestly, I've been trying to do the same a while ago, they seem a bit delusional. Didn't want to discuss much, but they think by getting rid of Karl they will turn things around. Unless they make some really strong moves this offseason, I think sobering up will be pretty hard.
But hey, then they'll need Willie. Because Cousins will be gone.

[SpinninHouse]

It's a shame that Thibs ended up on Minny. I would have overpaid to get Dieng in a Trade. Wonder if we could trade Taj and 14 for him? Only shame is that Kirk is gone, he'd do Kirk for Dieng straight-up.

If we had Hinrich and Deng, would pull of a Deng/Hinrich for KAT, Wiggins, Lavine, and Top 5 pick.

[nitetrain8603]

Was on the Sacramento board inquiring about WCS. It doesn't appear like they want anything we have -- short of Jimmy Butler. They value him pretty highly.

Honestly, I've been trying to do the same a while ago, they seem a bit delusional. Didn't want to discuss much, but they think by getting rid of Karl they will turn things around. Unless they make some really strong moves this offseason, I think sobering up will be pretty hard.
But hey, then they'll need Willie. Because Cousins will be gone.

Let's step back from being homers here. Sac wants to keep WCS for the same reasons people here are enamored with.

Because they're unwilling to trade a piece of their core, now they're being unrealistic? Probably as unrealistic as those who believe Mitotic or Doug should command more than moving up to the 8th slot.

[realEAST]

Was on the Sacramento board inquiring about WCS. It doesn't appear like they want anything we have -- short of Jimmy Butler. They value him pretty highly.

Honestly, I've been trying to do the same a while ago, they seem a bit delusional. Didn't want to discuss much, but they think by getting rid of Karl they will turn things around. Unless they make some really strong moves this offseason, I think sobering up will be pretty hard.
But hey, then they'll need Willie. Because Cousins will be gone.

Let's step back from being homers here. Sac wants to keep WCS for the same reasons people here are enamored with.

Because they're unwilling to trade a piece of their core, now they're being unrealistic? Probably as unrealistic as those who believe Mitotic or Doug should command more than moving up to the 8th slot.

Regardin WCS, I think they overvalue the impact he'll have on team, as is constructed now. That's why I think moving him wouldn't be the worst solution for them, and Bull could pull together a strong offer.

[nitetrain8603]

Honestly, I've been trying to do the same a while ago, they seem a bit delusional. Didn't want to discuss much, but they think by getting rid of Karl they will turn things around. Unless they make some really strong moves this offseason, I think sobering up will be pretty hard.
But hey, then they'll need Willie. Because Cousins will be gone.

Let's step back from being homers here. Sac wants to keep WCS for the same reasons people here are enamored with.

Because they're unwilling to trade a piece of their core, now they're being unrealistic? Probably as unrealistic as those who believe Mitotic or Doug should command more than moving up to the 8th slot.

Regardin WCS, I think they overvalue the impact he'll have on team, as is constructed now. That's why I think moving him wouldn't be the worst solution for them, and Bull could pull together a strong offer.

But Cousins more than likely will be gone soon. And under the exploding cap, WCS is a bargain. Why would they deal him for anything short if a sure thing? Especially if they like him as much as people do on this board.

[realEAST]

Let's step back from being homers here. Sac wants to keep WCS for the same reasons people here are enamored with.

Because they're unwilling to trade a piece of their core, now they're being unrealistic? Probably as unrealistic as those who believe Mitotic or Doug should command more than moving up to the 8th slot.

Regardin WCS, I think they overvalue the impact he'll have on team, as is constructed now. That's why I think moving him wouldn't be the worst solution for them, and Bull could pull together a strong offer.

But Cousins more than likely will be gone soon. And under the exploding cap, WCS is a bargain. Why would they deal him for anything short if a sure thing? Especially if they like him as much as people do on this board.

Their current plan is sticking to Cousins and building around him, as it seems, I was speaking in that context. Either that, or trade DMC right away and rebuild quickly IMO. But that's not why Joerger is there.

[nitetrain8603]

Regardin WCS, I think they overvalue the impact he'll have on team, as is constructed now. That's why I think moving him wouldn't be the worst solution for them, and Bull could pull together a strong offer.

But Cousins more than likely will be gone soon. And under the exploding cap, WCS is a bargain. Why would they deal him for anything short if a sure thing? Especially if they like him as much as people do on this board.

Their current plan is sticking to Cousins and building around him, as it seems, I was speaking in that context. Either that, or trade DMC right away and rebuild quickly IMO. But that's not why Joerger is there.

Even with Cousins there, I don't deal WCS for the reasons I stated unless I'm getting a damn good player back or a young cost controlled player or a bunch of picks.

[realEAST]

But Cousins more than likely will be gone soon. And under the exploding cap, WCS is a bargain. Why would they deal him for anything short if a sure thing? Especially if they like him as much as people do on this board.

Their current plan is sticking to Cousins and building around him, as it seems, I was speaking in that context. Either that, or trade DMC right away and rebuild quickly IMO. But that's not why Joerger is there.

Even with Cousins there, I don't deal WCS for the reasons I stated unless I'm getting a damn good player back or a young cost controlled player or a bunch of picks.

Gibson, Mirotic/Portis, 2017 pick back - I'd be comfortable offering that, and think it makes sense for them.

[SpinninHouse]

With Boston in line to draft Heild at #3, we should inquire about Marcus Smart. Maybe they'd take Niko or McDermott.

They'll have a major log jam in the back court.

[Big Pippen]

Bulls are in strange "no mans land," likely stuck between the 8th lotto pick and the 7th seed for the next several years. They are going to have to go big in the draft or free agency to break out (and I think Pax knows how unreliable free agency can be). So trading Jimmy and Derrick in what looks to be an insane summer of player movement is the necessary play in breaking out of the mediocrity the front office finds themselves in.

I could see Dallas, Memphis, Brooklyn, and Philly all having interest in Derrick.

As has been reported everywhere, the Celtics and Lakers seem to have big time interest in Jimmy.

Its not the kind of conversation you want fans in a premier market to be having when Durant is a free agent. But the choices are either blowing this up and starting from scratch, or having two more nut kick seasons like the one we just finished before coming to the same conclusion.

[SpinninHouse]

Their current plan is sticking to Cousins and building around him, as it seems, I was speaking in that context. Either that, or trade DMC right away and rebuild quickly IMO. But that's not why Joerger is there.

Even with Cousins there, I don't deal WCS for the reasons I stated unless I'm getting a damn good player back or a young cost controlled player or a bunch of picks.

Gibson, Mirotic/Portis, 2017 pick back - I'd be comfortable offering that, and think it makes sense for them.

That is not an offer they accept. Gibson is an old veteran who fits best on a contending team -- not a young, up and coming team. The 2017 pick will be essentially worthless if they suck again next season (which they probably will). And WCS is a superior young prospect comparatively to Portis.

I wouldn't do that deal from their end.

[SpinninHouse]

After discussing potential trades on the Sacramento board for WCS and on the Boston board for Marcus Smart -- it's apparent to me that teams don't value our potential trade pieces. Taj, Niko Mirotic, McDermott, #14 pick, Portis, etc.

We're going to have an awfully hard time landing anybody via trade unless it involves Jimmy Butler. Our FO failed to sell high and now we're screwed.

[realEAST]

Even with Cousins there, I don't deal WCS for the reasons I stated unless I'm getting a damn good player back or a young cost controlled player or a bunch of picks.

Gibson, Mirotic/Portis, 2017 pick back - I'd be comfortable offering that, and think it makes sense for them.

That is not an offer they accept. Gibson is an old veteran who fits best on a contending team -- not a young, up and coming team. The 2017 pick will be essentially worthless if they suck again next season (which they probably will). And WCS is a superior young prospect comparatively to Portis.

I wouldn't do that deal from their end.

King young, up and coming - don't think so. Last season Cousins was 25, Gay 29, Rondo 30, Collison 29, Casspi 27, Acy 25, Curry 25, Koufos 27, Bellinelli 30. Only youngsters were McLemore and WCS, and they'll be 24 and 23 this year. They are looking to make playoffs and make it now. And with right moves they can. That's appeal of pick for them. And they'd like to bring him back.
This is where Gibson helps, because he is better player than WCS at the moment, more experienced, and better fit than WCS. And you get Portis who is talented enough to become starter. So you solve PF rotation. Have to fill SG and PG, with #8 in draft and 20 mil in cap space. Conley and Luwawu would be ideal and quite realistic. I think it is playoff team.

As for WCS-Portis, yes Willie is better and probably will be, but that's why you add assets.
Also, thing is Kings fans tend to wildly overvalue WCS, basing it on claim that it is matter of time before he develops consistent jumper. I don't see it, don't project it, don't believe it. He is shooting FTs less than 70% this season. When he shot jumpers last couple games of reg season, he shot them appx 2/20. Don't think it is matter of time. It is matter of miracle.

Not saying it is ideal deal, but it makes a lot of sense for them. Besides, I'd be willing, although not light hearted, to include Mirotic instead of Portis, that should be more than enough.

As I said, fans, and if FO shares their projections, them too, will have quite cruel sobering if they think this team can make playoffs without some strong moves.


As for the other post, those are fans, not FO executives, they are utterly unrealistic and biased in their judgments (not excluding myself here, but at least hope I am not as radical as some)

[realEAST]

After discussing potential trades on the Sacramento board for WCS and on the Boston board for Marcus Smart -- it's apparent to me that teams don't value our potential trade pieces. Taj, Niko Mirotic, McDermott, #14 pick, Portis, etc.

We're going to have an awfully hard time landing anybody via trade unless it involves Jimmy Butler. Our FO failed to sell high and now we're screwed.

I don't think Mirotic, Portis and McD ever had higher value than now, actually. Especially Mirotic

[greenl]

With Boston in line to draft Heild at #3, we should inquire about Marcus Smart. Maybe they'd take Niko or McDermott.

They'll have a major log jam in the back court.

Marcus Smart is the bizarro version of Doug McDermott. We need a doctor with questionable ethics to combine them into one awesome basketball playing entity.

[realEAST]

With Boston in line to draft Heild at #3, we should inquire about Marcus Smart. Maybe they'd take Niko or McDermott.

They'll have a major log jam in the back court.

Marcus Smart is the bizarro version of Doug McDermott. We need a doctor with questionable ethics to combine them into one awesome basketball playing entity.

Dorcus McSmart - even name is oxymoron