Jim Boylan on 670 The Score

[Dieselbound&Down]

^^if that happens, it will be shame and a major black mark against Pax's resume to date.

[TB#1]

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I would like to see what the package of Noc/Duhon could get us

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[DuckIII]

I have a feeling, Tyrus will be traded soon.

I'm having a really hard time believing that unless its part of a MAJOR deal.

Paxson has seen what getting rid of a young athletic big can lead to as evidenced by the Chandler situation. Also, Paxson is extremely high on Thomas' talent and even noted specifically that he wants to see him play more.

[DuckIII]

In all fairness to Boylan, he's doing a pretty darn good job with the rotations, even at the expense of the young guys. He's right in that your vets are the ones to lead your team and we've been getting that.

We simply have too many guys in the front court that are worthy of substantial minutes. It'd be great if Pax can turn Nocioni and change into a 2/3 type of guy to help out (see the sig) or if he can dump Wallace on someone. If Pax could pull of either one, Cliff Levingston doesn't think Boylan would pull a Skiles and bring Adrian Griffin off the bench for heavy minutes; he'd rely upon the young guys more.

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[DuckIII]

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I accept those terms.

[dougthonus]

I have a feeling, Tyrus will be traded soon.

I would be surprised. His value can't be real high right now.

[AirP.]

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I'm having a really hard time believing that unless its part of a MAJOR deal.

Paxson has seen what getting rid of a young athletic big can lead to as evidenced by the Chandler situation. Also, Paxson is extremely high on Thomas' talent and even noted specifically that he wants to see him play more.

I think Boylan sold Paxson on the idea that this team can get back into the hunt and Paxson has given him some time to prove it.

For EVERYONE saying that Tyrus must get past his relationship with Skiles and produce like a PRO instead of his inconsistent production.... it almost looks like EVERYONE had a problem with Skiles because everyone looks completely different since he left. They may be Pros but that doesn't mean a coach can't have a huge effect on how players play.

How Skiles was about HUSTLING and mistake free play... Boylan is into Vets and believing in them much more then rookies. It's just a different philosophy of coaching. Boylan is all over entitlement based on years in service... which doesn't always mean you put out the best team. It's not a bad way of going but it's a short term gain that is definitely going to hurt our future, if nothing more making us wait to become the team we can be through development of ALL our players.

[Dieselbound&Down]

I'll be much more pissed if this same discussion is taking place over the AS break and the team is back over 500.

By mid-February Wallace will be shut down for a few stretches and Joe Smith will have more than a few 15 minute games to help him rest his knees. This will give the youngsters extended stretches to show their worth. The only wild card I see is Noc continuing to get heavy minutes at the PF position.

[Rerisen]

Regardless if Boylan turns out to be a great coach, the team does have new life under him for now, no matter the moves he is making.

Early in the year we would just give up when getting down 10+. Now, like last night down 12 to the Bobcats, Boylan just calls a timeout at the obvious times, calmly tells the team what should be done and they usually respond and play more focused.

He doesn't do anything crazy like bench the whole starting lineup or run Griffin out there for 10 minutes on their top scorer.

The Bulls are still a flawed team in ways, but at least the hustle and fight are coming back. And they will continue to be there if we keep playing the infectiously motivated young guys like Gray, Noah and Tyrus. Even TT was laughing and smiling on the bench at times last night and after the game. Though I don't know how long whatever Boylan told him will last if he keeps sitting. But he used to just look glum 24/7.

[Ben Wilson25]

Its frustrating to see the organization being so short-sighted. It also shouldn't be surprising to anyone who has followed the team. If you gave Jerry Reinsdorf a choice between a championship and a modest profit or making the first round of the playoffs and losing while making a larger profit, which do you think he would choose?

I can agree somewhat that you need to right the ship first, and so far playing the veterans has worked so I can't be too critical. The thing that gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach is that if we ride the veterans and things improve do we really believe that the youngsters will all of a sudden take on a much larger role once we hit .500? Into the playoffs? I just can't see it, meaning we have lost another year of development while the likes of Portland (who we should be battling for years to come) is getting their youth ready NOW.

Paxson has talked about a consolidation trade for years now. My only hope is for a consolidation trade involving Wallace, Noc or Smith (preferrably 2 of them) for backcourt help.

The really sad thing is that I believe we'd be better right now playing TT and Noah which makes giving the vets heavy minutes a bad decision in the short and long term.

[theanimal23]

In regards to what Cliff Levingston wrote, I see us being able to turn Noce into a SG/SF.

The name I like but never see management going for due to him being a UFA this year is Maggette.

[BigUps]

I'd do Noc and filler (since Noc is BYC) for Maggette in .000001 seconds flat.

[richard]

i think people are disappointed for a good reason, but they should have expected this. paxson is the one to blame much more than the players or the coaches. he is the one who has been stockpiling his high draft picks and at the same time trying to get the team to elite status. being an elite team and developing youth CANNOT happen at the same time, the two are mutually exclusive. paxson wants both and doesn't understand that it's never been done and cannot happen.

he has assembled a very flawed roster, is trying to be a top team in the conference, and trying to develop at least 3-4 young players. the coaches are only playing the veterans because benching 3 lottery lottery picks would have less repurcussions than benching a $60 million man who's accomplished a lot in the past.

i've been calling for paxson to trade his picks the last two drafts for a proven star, or at least a difference maker. but as usual, he sits on his hands.

[AirP.]

i think people are disappointed for a good reason, but they should have expected this. paxson is the one to blame much more than the players or the coaches. he is the one who has been stockpiling his high draft picks and at the same time trying to get the team to elite status. being an elite team and developing youth CANNOT happen at the same time, the two are mutually exclusive. paxson wants both and doesn't understand that it's never been done and cannot happen.

Better go look at what happened when Tim Duncan came into the league at the ripe age of 21.... winning a championship at age 22.

[Red Larrivee]

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Better go look at what happened when Tim Duncan came into the league at the ripe age of 21.... winning a championship at age 22.

Tim Duncan is a different case and you know it. Duncan was one of the rare highly touted PF/C prospects, who barely come into the NBA anymore. NBA-Ready Franchise Big. And also he had another franchise-big around him in David Robinson.

You can't develop raw players and expect to be a great team at the same time, unless you have a superstar player on your team. It can't be done, and it's not possible without it. To me it seems like Paxson wants to do both, but everyone is looking at him dumbfounded, because you can't do both. They are as richard said, mutually exclusive. Do one or the other, not both.