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KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#1 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:29 am

Not sure if this is thread worthy, but obviously there will be an interest in this. I emailed K.C. Johnson the following question:

The Bulls benched Gordon for Chris Duhon for a season and a half. They benched him for Larry Hughes for 25 games. They offered him much less money than Luol Deng, and then took away his offer the moment he was ready to accept it. This off-season Reinsdorf was quoted as saying that Gordon wouldn't have been able to get playing time behind Rose, Hinrich, and Salmons. Gordon is arguably the best player amongst this group, and currently has the highest PER. Are the Bulls brass just delusional or are they just really disrespectful towards him?


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Disrespectful to him. Never understood their stance with BG. As for the pulled offer, I've heard they decided they made a mistake even offering it to him so even if he said he wanted to sign it, the offer was going to be pulled.
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Re: Bulls May Have Pulled Offered From BG Before Deadline 

Post#2 » by sdeezy » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:30 am

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Re: Bulls May Have Pulled Offered From BG Before Deadline 

Post#3 » by Ajosu » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:33 am

There's got to be some explanation. Got to be...
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Post#4 » by Morten Jensen » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:35 am

Seriously. That's just downright poor management.

This also proves my biggest fear; They're stubborn to a fault.

Because let's be honest. Gordon was the most talented player (Rose excluded) the Bulls had since MJ. Maybe you throw Elton Brand in there, but then that's it. And he was only here for two years anyway.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#5 » by sonny » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:36 am

Maybe BG James Johnson'd all of management's women
Midwestern folks do seem to be a lot more gullible than the coasters, particularly the NY east coasters.

They seem to buy into anything if it something they really want to believe, honestly.
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Re: Bulls May Have Pulled Offered From BG Before Deadline 

Post#6 » by HINrichPolice » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:36 am

Ajosu wrote:There's got to be some explanation. Got to be...


It's called the Luxury Tax. That simple.
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Post#7 » by Ajosu » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:37 am

HINrichPolice wrote:
Ajosu wrote:There's got to be some explanation. Got to be...


It's called the Luxury Tax. That simple.


Correct me if I am wrong, but the 6/54 contract would not have put us in the Luxury Tax, no?
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Post#8 » by sonny » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:38 am

HINrichPolice wrote:
Ajosu wrote:There's got to be some explanation. Got to be...


It's called the Luxury Tax. That simple.

The team benching him for inferior players makes this more than a financial issue I think.

I mean, Larry Hughes?

Remember when Duhon shot about 23% for a couple of months.

Remember when Vinny said he would have to earn a spot over Sefolosha, the guy we traded for a late first round pick>
Midwestern folks do seem to be a lot more gullible than the coasters, particularly the NY east coasters.

They seem to buy into anything if it something they really want to believe, honestly.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#9 » by da mayor » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:42 am

Good. Ben Gordon isn't worth that money. You're not winning any championship paying Gordon that.
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Post#10 » by sonny » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:44 am

da mayor wrote:Good. Ben Gordon isn't worth that money. You're not winning any championship paying Gordon that.

A team won't win a championship paying a guy that gives us 20+ a game 9M a year?

But we'll win one paying a backup pg 9M? Or a non allstar sf 12M?
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They seem to buy into anything if it something they really want to believe, honestly.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#11 » by Morten Jensen » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:45 am

da mayor wrote:Good. Ben Gordon isn't worth that money. You're not winning any championship paying Gordon that.


Right. Because we're surely winning a ring paying Hinrich big money :thumbsup:
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Post#12 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:49 am

The problem with re-signing Ben was that his cap-space would define your team for the next 5 years or so. I still think the flexibility is preferred even if that means a worse team for the next year or 2.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#13 » by fisher » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:50 am

Morten Jensen wrote:
da mayor wrote:Good. Ben Gordon isn't worth that money. You're not winning any championship paying Gordon that.


Right. Because we're surely winning a ring paying Hinrich big money :thumbsup:


That's irrelevant because the team is more than two years away from winning a ring (if they ever do).
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#14 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:51 am

fisher wrote:
Morten Jensen wrote:
da mayor wrote:Good. Ben Gordon isn't worth that money. You're not winning any championship paying Gordon that.


Right. Because we're surely winning a ring paying Hinrich big money :thumbsup:


That's irrelevant because the team is more than two years away from winning a ring (if they ever do).


How can you make such a blanket statement?
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Post#15 » by fisher » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:52 am

Evil_Headband wrote:The problem with re-signing Ben was that his cap-space would define your team for the next 5 years or so. I still think the flexibility is preferred even if that means a worse team for the next year or 2.


Agreed. Ben Gordon's a good player, but he's not special or an all star or anything.
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Post#16 » by theanimal23 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:53 am

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Post#17 » by theanimal23 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:54 am

da mayor wrote:Good. Ben Gordon isn't worth that money. You're not winning any championship paying Gordon that.


I hope this is your first and final post.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#18 » by fisher » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:56 am

HomoSapien wrote:
fisher wrote:
Morten Jensen wrote:
Right. Because we're surely winning a ring paying Hinrich big money :thumbsup:


That's irrelevant because the team is more than two years away from winning a ring (if they ever do).


How can you make such a blanket statement?


Have you watched this Bulls team play? More importantly, have you checked out the rest of the NBA lately? No moves we make (short of landing Bosh and Lebron through some miracle trade involving Deng, Rose breaking out into elite PG status, and landing top 3 guy in the lotto) will put us over the Lakers, Celtics, or Magic during the next two years.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#19 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:59 am

fisher wrote:
Have you watched this Bulls team play? More importantly, have you checked out the rest of the NBA lately? No moves we make (short of landing Bosh and Lebron through some miracle trade involving Deng, Rose breaking out into elite PG status, and landing top 3 guy in the lotto) will put us over the Lakers, Celtics, or Magic during the next two years.


Right, but had we resigned Gordon and then done well in 2010 we may not have been two years away.

A starting lineup of:

Noah
2010 PF
Deng
Gordon
Rose

Is a team that can get to the finals.
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Re: KC: Bulls Would Have Pulled BG Offer Regardless of Deadline 

Post#20 » by waffle » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:01 am

Hum

that is pretty much how duck and I thought it might have gone down, piecing together the evidence, such as it was.

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