What's up with Dion?

[Zenith]

Dion's an elite talent

No.

[Cavs1017]

Dion's an elite talent

No.

No is what I told your mom.

[Zenith]

Dion's an elite talent

No.

No is what I told your mom.

You're so clever.

[old rem]

Whys all the focus always on dion? Sure he's playing terrible but so are most of the guys. Lebron has been rubbish and Kyrie is just murdering this team with his dribble dribble brick basketball he's playing. No one is playing a lick of defense.

You can't give dion all of the blame when he gets none of the credit. Kyrie is the biggest individual problem on this team right now.

A few years back... I was SCARED GSW would draft him. Happily... it never came to that. I THOUGHT...perhaps.. his game would evolve. It has not.. and currently has gone backwards. He TENDS to be a bit ballhog/chuck, not very good D. The FG%,3% currently.. are sorry.. but no other SG on the roster is any help.

Why I did not want him (on GSW) is I got the sense he's NOT at all a team guy, a chemistry guy.. or very efficient. There's TALENT... he could be a poor man's Harden.. but would need to improve between the ears.

[Cavs1017]

Whys all the focus always on dion? Sure he's playing terrible but so are most of the guys. Lebron has been rubbish and Kyrie is just murdering this team with his dribble dribble brick basketball he's playing. No one is playing a lick of defense.

You can't give dion all of the blame when he gets none of the credit. Kyrie is the biggest individual problem on this team right now.

A few years back... I was SCARED GSW would draft him. Happily... it never came to that. I THOUGHT...perhaps.. his game would evolve. It has not.. and currently has gone backwards. He TENDS to be a bit ballhog/chuck, not very good D. The FG%,3% currently.. are sorry.. but no other SG on the roster is any help.

Why I did not want him (on GSW) is I got the sense he's NOT at all a team guy, a chemistry guy.. or very efficient. There's TALENT... he could be a poor man's Harden.. but would need to improve between the ears.

better than barnes tho

[jbk1234]

Whys all the focus always on dion? Sure he's playing terrible but so are most of the guys. Lebron has been rubbish and Kyrie is just murdering this team with his dribble dribble brick basketball he's playing. No one is playing a lick of defense.

You can't give dion all of the blame when he gets none of the credit. Kyrie is the biggest individual problem on this team right now.

A few years back... I was SCARED GSW would draft him. Happily... it never came to that. I THOUGHT...perhaps.. his game would evolve. It has not.. and currently has gone backwards. He TENDS to be a bit ballhog/chuck, not very good D. The FG%,3% currently.. are sorry.. but no other SG on the roster is any help.

Why I did not want him (on GSW) is I got the sense he's NOT at all a team guy, a chemistry guy.. or very efficient. There's TALENT... he could be a poor man's Harden.. but would need to improve between the ears.

He's on his third coach in three years. Last year he watched Kyrie play really selfish basketball and be rewarded with a max contract. When he brought up the double standard, as the Cavs were losing winnable games, he was labeled a cancer. I do think the static between he and Kyrie is real. I'm just not willing to put all the blame for that on Dion. This year it's LBJ is engaging in the do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do approach to leadership. He's moved to the bench for scoring and then put into rotations with Kyrie and LBJ where he's treated like the third option. As a result, he's forcing bad shots. Blatt can't seem to decide what he wants to do with Dion or which rotations have the best fit and balance. Ever since that BS article, written by the local paper, came out about the national anthem he's not getting calls at the rim. If there is a player who has been handled more poorly by an organization, I can't think of one.

After the Cavs have completely destroyed his trade value, he's going to be traded for garbage and go on to ball hard with another team. Meanwhile, we still won't have scoring off the bench and no one is going to figure out that with the Big Three taking 80-90% of the shots, it doesn't really matter who you have coming off the bench.

[Zenith]

Waiters just isn't very smart and he isn't very good, that's the reality of the situation. His best case scenario is Jamal Crawford except he can't even shoot as well as him, he needs to be further humbled and accept his place in this league.

[TheOUTLAW]

I disagree about Waiters, he's actually very good just not as good as he seems to think. He's a heck of a passer and playmaker, but most non Cavs fans aren't smart enough to realize it.

[tidho]

I disagree about Waiters, he's actually very good just not as good as he seems to think. He's a heck of a passer and playmaker, but most non Cavs fans aren't smart enough to realize it.

True statement.

The especially tough part for Dion this year is how inconsistently he's been used. He's having a real problem adjusting becasue it doesn't seem like there is anyway he could possibly know when he's going to get to play and what he'll be asked to do.
Nice to see how unselfish he was in the Magic game.

[Zenith]

He's a heck of a passer and playmaker, but most non Cavs fans aren't smart enough to realize it.

Anyone can create off a pick and roll.......

[TheOUTLAW]

He's a heck of a passer and playmaker, but most non Cavs fans aren't smart enough to realize it.

Anyone can create off a pick and roll.......

Who was talking about pick and rolls and why are you limiting this?

[RSCD3_]

The worst part about last night was him sulking under the basket for 5 seconds after missing a lay-up and then blowing off blatt when he tried to talk to him

He might get better on another team but not here, he doesn't fit


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[Zenith]

He's a heck of a passer and playmaker, but most non Cavs fans aren't smart enough to realize it.

Anyone can create off a pick and roll.......

Who was talking about pick and rolls and why are you limiting this?

Bc that's the only time I see him create for other people aka playmake, sure he'll pass the ball around occasionally when he's on the perimeter but that's by design of the offensive set or system not Waiters trying to orchestrate plays for others.

[Dupp]

I disagree about Waiters, he's actually very good just not as good as he seems to think. He's a heck of a passer and playmaker, but most non Cavs fans aren't smart enough to realize it.

He really is but he just hasnt played that way this season. Hes been so disappointing.

[Cavs1017]

Anyone can create off a pick and roll.......

Who was talking about pick and rolls and why are you limiting this?

Bc that's the only time I see him create for other people aka playmake, sure he'll pass the ball around occasionally when he's on the perimeter but that's by design of the offensive set or system not Waiters trying to orchestrate plays for others.

yeah man Mike Brown's offensive system makes scrubs look like stars

[Zenith]

Who was talking about pick and rolls and why are you limiting this?

Bc that's the only time I see him create for other people aka playmake, sure he'll pass the ball around occasionally when he's on the perimeter but that's by design of the offensive set or system not Waiters trying to orchestrate plays for others.

yeah man Mike Brown's offensive system makes scrubs look like stars

Mike Browns system was isolation and run pick and rolls over and over again which NEVER made Waiters look like a star, so I guess thanks for agreeing with me

[jbk1234]

Bc that's the only time I see him create for other people aka playmake, sure he'll pass the ball around occasionally when he's on the perimeter but that's by design of the offensive set or system not Waiters trying to orchestrate plays for others.

yeah man Mike Brown's offensive system makes scrubs look like stars

Mike Browns system was isolation and run pick and rolls over and over again which NEVER made Waiters look like a star, so I guess thanks for agreeing with me

I really hate to say this but someone has to - how many SGs have worked out playing next to Kyrie? Since his rookie year how many different types of 2 guards have the Cavs tried to put in the same back court next to him? I mean, Bruce Bowden has been retired for a while now. Dion isn't Bowden - he's not that type of player - but that's not Dion's fault. If Kyrie can only play next to a three and D 2 guard who can live on 6-8 shots a game, then I guess you have to live with it. But last year when Kyire went down, Dion played his best ball in a Cavs uniform. The notion that he won't play better elsewhere is seriously flawed.

[Zenith]

I really hate to say this but someone has to - how many SGs have worked out playing next to Kyrie? Since his rookie year how many different types of 2 guards have the Cavs tried to put in the same back court next to him? I mean, Bruce Bowden has been retired for a while now. Dion isn't Bowden - he's not that type of player - but that's not Dion's fault. If Kyrie can only play next to a three and D 2 guard who can live on 6-8 shots a game, then I guess you have to live with it. But last year when Kyire went down, Dion played his best ball in a Cavs uniform. The notion that he won't play better elsewhere is seriously flawed.

I agree 100% that Kyrie needs to learn team ball, he's a modern day Iverson, he thinks those Uncle Drew commercials are real life (Lebron is teaching him quite quickly differently though imo) but he's still more skilled and talented when compared to Dion, obviously that's not Dion's fault but it means he must adjust his game to the team plan which is something Dion is yet to do, when he doesn't have the skill set or talent level to back up that attitude.

[jbk1234]

I really hate to say this but someone has to - how many SGs have worked out playing next to Kyrie? Since his rookie year how many different types of 2 guards have the Cavs tried to put in the same back court next to him? I mean, Bruce Bowden has been retired for a while now. Dion isn't Bowden - he's not that type of player - but that's not Dion's fault. If Kyrie can only play next to a three and D 2 guard who can live on 6-8 shots a game, then I guess you have to live with it. But last year when Kyire went down, Dion played his best ball in a Cavs uniform. The notion that he won't play better elsewhere is seriously flawed.

I agree 100% that Kyrie needs to learn team ball, he's a modern day Iverson, he thinks those Uncle Drew commercials are real life (Lebron is teaching him quite quickly differently though imo) but he's still more skilled and talented when compared to Dion, obviously that's not Dion's fault but it means he must adjust his game to the team plan which is something Dion is yet to do, when he doesn't have the skill set or talent level to back up that attitude.

It's more than that. It's very difficult to start two 2 guards in the same line up.

[PCProductions]

I don't think I've ever felt a player need a bad team as much as Dion does. Put this dude on a tanking/developing team and it would be heaven for him.