Tank Success!! Special shoutout to the Lakers and Magic!

BossHoggin · Post #21 » by **BossHoggin** » Fri Nov 9, 2012 10:25 pm

Dutuctive Depp wrote:Lol if they hire pringles they're gonna be firing two coaches in one season. Hope it's just a disaster year for them

That would be hilarious

DelontesLip · Post #22 » by **DelontesLip** » Fri Nov 9, 2012 11:13 pm

Not that we have legitimate concern it would get to this but the Lakers pick is in fact lottery protected. Kings pick is top 13 protected this year and top 12 protected next years

Post #23 » by **B Mac** » Fri Nov 9, 2012 11:35 pm

DelontesLip wrote:Not that we have legitimate concern it would get to this but the Lakers pick is in fact lottery protected. Kings pick is top 13 protected this year and top 12 protected next years

Im still going to believe the guys over at RCF about the pick not being protected. They spoke directly with the Cavs front office about it.

IMHO · Post #24 » by **IMHO** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:12 am

Dude, there's no way that pick ends up in lottery anyway.

jcsunsfan · Post #25 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:11 pm

If it does end up in the lottery, the Suns get it per the Steve Nash trade.

But it won't

BossHoggin · Post #26 » by **BossHoggin** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:24 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:If it does end up in the lottery, the Suns get it per the Steve Nash trade.

But it won't

There's conflicting reports on this

Harper4Ferry? · Post #27 » by **Harper4Ferry?** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:10 pm

The lakers aren't going to finish in the lottery. If they do, according to NBADRAFT.net, the pick is extinguished. It's then possible the pick heads to the Suns, but I'm not sure why we would bother to debate something that simply won't happen.

Mike Brown is a crappy coach. I believe his body of work easily backs this up. Even if he won a lot of games and was "coach of the year" here, he still was really lacking in making adjustments and in game strategy. Frankly he looked clueless the majority of the time.

jcsunsfan · Post #28 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:01 pm

BossHoggin wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:If it does end up in the lottery, the Suns get it per the Steve Nash trade.

But it won't

There's conflicting reports on this

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

2013 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers will send the least favorable of their own 1st round pick (top-14 protected), Cleveland's own 2013 1st round pick, Sacramento's own 1st round pick (top-13 protected) and Miami's 2013 1st round pick to Phoenix. If the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick is within the top-14 selections, Phoenix will automatically receive the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick. [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]

But you are right, the Lakers are going to make the playoffs save a plane crash or something.

mcfly1204 · Post #29 » by **mcfly1204** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:39 pm

Kobe has been on a lottery team once in his entire career. There is no way Gasol, Howard, and Nash are his teammates for the second time around.

BossHoggin · Post #30 » by **BossHoggin** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:55 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:If it does end up in the lottery, the Suns get it per the Steve Nash trade.

But it won't

There's conflicting reports on this

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

2013 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers will send the least favorable of their own 1st round pick (top-14 protected), Cleveland's own 2013 1st round pick, Sacramento's own 1st round pick (top-13 protected) and Miami's 2013 1st round pick to Phoenix. If the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick is within the top-14 selections, Phoenix will automatically receive the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick. [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]

But you are right, the Lakers are going to make the playoffs save a plane crash or something.

What part of conflicting reports is the hard part to get?

TruthTelling · Post #31 » by **TruthTelling** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:04 pm

those conflicting reports are total bogus

Phoenix will get the Lakers pick if it is in the lottery. The Cavs get it if it is outside of it.

If the Cavs had an unprotected Lakers pick the Lakers couldn't have sent their 2013 pick to Phoenix in the Steve Nash trade but they pulled off the deal with the stipulations that Phoenix would get it if it is lottery otherwise Phoenix will get another pick.

Post #32 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:17 pm

yes they could mr Truth Telling because the Cavs actually would be exchanging first rounders with the Lakers and not just taking their pick. The Cavs had the Lakers pick last year so they wouldn't have been able to do it anyway. All the rule says is that you have to have a pick, not that you have to have your own.

Wow, and that was your first post.

Post #33 » by **B Mac** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:34 am

Yea, Im still siding with the guys who have connections to the Cavs front office.

TruthTelling · Post #34 » by **TruthTelling** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:50 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:yes they could mr Truth Telling because the Cavs actually would be exchanging first rounders with the Lakers and not just taking their pick. The Cavs had the Lakers pick last year so they wouldn't have been able to do it anyway. All the rule says is that you have to have a pick, not that you have to have your own.

Wow, and that was your first post.

You are wrong, NBA teams are not allowed to trade future consecutive first round picks of their own. It does not matter if they have other picks. The Lakers couldn't trade their own 2014 or 2016 first round pick right now since they owe their pick in 2013 and 2015

The point is the Suns specifically received the Lakers 2013 and 2015 picks. If the Cavs had an unprotected Lakers pick there wouldnt have been any possibility to include that pick.

Do you think realgm and other sources go ahead and just make up something like that?

2013 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]

2013 first round draft pick to Phoenix
The L.A. Lakers will send the least favorable of their own 1st round pick (top-14 protected), Cleveland's own 2013 1st round pick, Sacramento's own 1st round pick (top-13 protected) and Miami's 2013 1st round pick to Phoenix. If the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick is within the top-14 selections, Phoenix will automatically receive the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick. [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]

2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]

Harper4Ferry? · Post #35 » by **Harper4Ferry?** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:35 pm

I agree with your assessment of the picks but I think that your interpretation of the Stepien rule is incorrect.

Post #36 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:33 am

I would argue this point with you, but I'll just unilaterally agree that you are incorrect about the stepien rule and let it go.

Post #37 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:41 am

Okay, maybe I lied because it bothers me that you are arguing an incorrect point with your first 2 posts here.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/ted- ... le.html%20

June 5 at 3:21pm CST By Luke Adams
While a rule like the Gilbert Arenas provision can flatter its namesake, the late Ted Stepien, former owner of the Cavaliers, may have preferred not to go down in history as the namesake for the Ted Stepien rule. Stepien owned the Cavs in the early 1980s, and made a number of trades that left the franchise without first-round picks for several years. As a result, the league eventually instituted a rule that prohibited teams from trading out of the first round for consecutive future seasons.

Because the Stepien rule applies only to future draft picks, teams are still permitted to trade their first-rounders every year if they so choose, but they can't trade out of the first round for back-to-back future seasons. For instance, since the Knicks have traded their 2012 first-round pick to Houston, they aren't allowed to trade their 2013 first-rounder unless they receive a first-round pick (for either '12 or '13) in return. However, following the 2012 draft, the Knicks regain the right to trade that 2013 first-rounder, since their '12 first-rounder is no longer considered a future pick.

Teams will have to consider the Stepien rule over the next few weeks as they mull trading draft picks for veterans. The Warriors and Rockets, for instance, each have a pair of first-rounders and are viewed as candidates to move those picks for a veteran player or two. However, because both teams have traded their 2013 first-rounders - Golden State to the Jazz and Houston to the Nets - they can't package this year's first-rounders for players unless they receive a '12 or '13 first-rounder in return.

Here are a few more rules related to trading draft picks:

•For salary-matching purposes, a draft pick counts as $0 until the player signs a contract.
•The "Seven Year Rule" prohibits teams from trading draft picks more than seven years in advance. For instance, during the 2011/12 season, a 2018 draft pick could be traded, but a 2019 pick could not be dealt.
•Teams are permitted to include protection on draft picks. For example, the Mavericks' 2012 first-rounder was traded to the Rockets, but was top-20-protected. Since the pick eventually landed at No. 17, Dallas was able to keep it for another season.
•For non-protected traded picks, the receiving team may be granted the option of deferring the pick for one year.

Post #38 » by **B Mac** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:26 am

TheOutlaw says: "Get that weak stuff outta here young fella!"

Post #39 » by **Rise Against** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:55 am

Lakers just lost to the Spurs.

BossHoggin · Post #40 » by **BossHoggin** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:05 pm

TruthTelling wrote:those conflicting reports are total bogus

Phoenix will get the Lakers pick if it is in the lottery. The Cavs get it if it is outside of it.

If the Cavs had an unprotected Lakers pick the Lakers couldn't have sent their 2013 pick to Phoenix in the Steve Nash trade but they pulled off the deal with the stipulations that Phoenix would get it if it is lottery otherwise Phoenix will get another pick.

Really you join and post on the Cavs sub forum just to be an ass?

Conflicting reports. Learn what that means.