How much is too much?

[jbk1234]

The general consensus is that the Cavs will overpay to keep their players and go well into the luxury tax. Here is my question: From the perspective trade value in the future - how much money is too much money for our players? The Cavs shouldn't overpay to the point where they have a bunch of bad contracts on the books that they can't move.

So for the following players what your max offer before you let them walk?

Shump

Smith

Delly

TT

Love

[yoyoboy]

Love - Max

TT - $13 mil/yr

Shump - $8 mil/yr

Smith - $7 mil/yr

Delly - $3.5 mil/yr

[jbk1234]

Love - Max

TT - $13 mil/yr

Shump - $8 mil/yr

Smith - $7 mil/yr

Delly - $3.5 mil/yr

Agree on everyone unless Shump wants a third year guaranteed at that salary. If he want's seven, the last year should be a team option.

[mademan]

Love - Max

TT - $13 mil/yr

Shump - $8 mil/yr

Smith - $7 mil/yr

Delly - $3.5 mil/yr

Agree on everyone unless Shump wants a third year guaranteed at that salary. If he want's seven, the last year should be a team option.

I dont think thats gonna be something the Cavs quibble over. In 3 years, the cap will be over 100 million...7 mill at that time for a starting level SG (at worse a 25+minute back up) is a bargain. I think the Cavs try to ink a 4 year deal with Shump (around 30 mill total) which will have great value 2 years in

[jbk1234]

Love - Max

TT - $13 mil/yr

Shump - $8 mil/yr

Smith - $7 mil/yr

Delly - $3.5 mil/yr

Agree on everyone unless Shump wants a third year guaranteed at that salary. If he want's seven, the last year should be a team option.

I dont think thats gonna be something the Cavs quibble over. In 3 years, the cap will be over 100 million...7 mill at that time for a starting level SG (at worse a 25+minute back up) is a bargain. I think the Cavs try to ink a 4 year deal with Shump (around 30 mill total) which will have great value 2 years in

Here's the problem with JR at any given point you might end up having to ban him from the facilities. If that happens, you don't want to be on the hook for that third year. The third year of AV's contract also isn't guaranteed. It would give us the opportunity to have $17 million coming off the books that year.

[tidho]

$3.5M is way too much for Delly.
Two more years of JR at $7.5M then $6.5M would be good enough too.

[Dupp]

$3.5M is way too much for Delly.
Two more years of JR at $7.5M then $6.5M would be good enough too.

No it's not its peanuts. Delly had a great impact in the playoffs. Played a lot better than many guys getting paid a lot more than him.


Anyway I agree with the first reply those numbers look good.

[tidho]

$3.5M is way too much for Delly.
Two more years of JR at $7.5M then $6.5M would be good enough too.

No it's not its peanuts. Delly had a great impact in the playoffs. Played a lot better than many guys getting paid a lot more than him.

Anyway I agree with the first reply those numbers look good.

Remember JJ Barea and the playoffs he had for Dallas a few years ago?
...then he left the team and you never heard his name again?
...that's Delly.

[toooskies]

Thompson isn't worth anything near the max, or anything much more than the contract he already turned down. He plays well with Lebron, but lots of guys would. Faried, whom Thompson compares his contract to, offers a lot of the same things and only costs $10m. You can't pay a guy like a star just because he grabs offensive rebounds and defends the PNR well. He doesn't protect the rim, can't guard true Cs, and isn't a playmaker. He's a great glue guy, but glue guys don't get $15m per. Sign-and-trade him somewhere else for a perimeter guy who can handle the ball and try to flip Haywood/Varejao for a reliable backup big or two.

Offer JR a contract where years 2-4 have partial guarantees (something like $8m but only $2m guaranteed). If he goes total headcase we can deal/cut him (and he can make the money back somewhere else), if he performs he makes more than his market value.

[thecouch]

delly probably after something like patty mills got after his good finals run last year . i think it was 3.5, 3.2 , 3.2 million a year but i think mills is a better player .

[jbk1234]

delly probably after something like patty mills got after his good finals run last year . i think it was 3.5, 3.2 , 3.2 million a year but i think mills is a better player .

Mills is the better two-way player but a lot of Cavs fans are forgetting what Delly did to Rose and Teague before we even got to Curry in the Finals. A big part of the Hawks struggles against us resulted from Teague/Schroeder not breaking down the defense and putting us into defensive rotations.

[MattDellavedova]

Here's a question: why does Love think he's worth a max deal? Isn't this the guy who ranks worst (or 2nd worst) in the NBA among bigmen rim protection? Isn't this the guy who is such a defensive liability, he's been on the bench the entire 4th quarters for games? This is to be rewarded with a max contract? No thanks.

[Dupp]

Here's a question: why does Love think he's worth a max deal? I

Because he is.

[Dupp]

delly probably after something like patty mills got after his good finals run last year . i think it was 3.5, 3.2 , 3.2 million a year but i think mills is a better player .

Mills is the better two-way player but a lot of Cavs fans are forgetting what Delly did to Rose and Teague before we even got to Curry in the Finals. A big part of the Hawks struggles against us resulted from Teague/Schroeder not breaking down the defense and putting us into defensive rotations.

It just shows what idiots people are. Delly sucked the last three games of the playoffs but was great the rest of the playoffs.

He is great/how much money will he get? People were saying when we were up 2-1. Now hes back to being trash again. Literally 90% of realgm base their opinions of the last game they saw. Its dumb. Dude got overrated and then underrated within 3 games.


Anyway Delly needs to work on his motor this off season and his 3 and he can still be a really really good backup.

[kiwibrindle]

I know TT really stepped up last year but 13mm is too much for me unless we sorten the deal and make the last year non guarenteed so that its a great trade piece down the road. Yes 3+ mill for delly is too much in the old CBA but for the new? Maybe this will be the norm for the 10 to 12th guys on the bench. After you add another PG that's what Delly will be.

[MattDellavedova]

Here's a question: why does Love think he's worth a max deal? I

Because he is.

Good argument. I'm convinced. Let's pay him LeBron money!

[Dupp]

There's no such thing as lebron money. He'll never get paid what he's worth relative to the rest of the league.

Love is however worth a max contract and if we ever want to win anything we need him.

[jbk1234]

Just an FYI - Bismack didn't even get a QO from the Hornets today. I don't know what the talent difference is between Biz and TT, but it's not more than $10 million per. Some of that is on the Hornets, but not all of it.

[kenneth9265]

Love - Max

TT - $13 mil/yr

Shump - $8 mil/yr

Smith - $7 mil/yr

Delly - $3.5 mil/yr

I agree.......

[BigBennett2013]

Give TT his money he deserves it more than Love did