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I don’t think the retool/rebuild will take long if they can find a couple more young pitchers. For bats they are stacked in the farm system.

Currently, you are figuring Peralta, Gasser, Rodriguez, Ashby are future rotation pieces. Really need a high ceiling arm for Burnes even if they are at the lower levels.

I can’t imagine Murphy is signing up for a bottom out 90-100 loss teams especially with a contingency plan in place. I don’t expect us to be free spenders but i do think they go into next year trying to be formidable. Like if trade Burnes, may try to get young MLB ready guys in return. I think its going to be let the young guys play, cash out a few vets, and try doing a competitive retool.

Thunder Muscle wrote:I can’t imagine Murphy is signing up for a bottom out 90-100 loss teams especially with a contingency plan in place. I don’t expect us to be free spenders but i do think they go into next year trying to be formidable. Like if trade Burnes, may try to get young MLB ready guys in return. I think its going to be let the young guys play, cash out a few vets, and try doing a competitive retool.

Eh I don't think Murphy has much leverage here. While he's had occasional other interviews for open managerial positions it's not like he's a hot name other teams are tripping over themselves to get. This is probably the best chance he'll ever have of being an MLB manager and so he took it

He's got familiarity with the organization and a history of coaching young, developing players. He's now gonna get a shot to manage his own team again with a nice pay bump. I'm sure he's more than happy to guide the Brewers through a rebuild.

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Thunder Muscle wrote:I can’t imagine Murphy is signing up for a bottom out 90-100 loss teams especially with a contingency plan in place. I don’t expect us to be free spenders but i do think they go into next year trying to be formidable. Like if trade Burnes, may try to get young MLB ready guys in return. I think its going to be let the young guys play, cash out a few vets, and try doing a competitive retool.

Eh I don't think Murphy has much leverage here. While he's had occasional other interviews for open managerial positions it's not like he's a hot name other teams are tripping over themselves to get. This is probably the best chance he'll ever have of being an MLB manager and so he took it

No, I certainly agree this was clearly his only shot at a Manager job. My thought process is more the line of he is in his mid-60s and likely has enough retirement cash to walk away, or maybe even stay with CC to Chicago. If the Brewers came to him and said we’re dumping all the veterans for minor league prospects, does he want to deal with a 90 loss team especially knowing he likely does not see the fruit of the labor? Maybe he is just happy with the pay bump and cool with having the gig, but as a competitor I could see a scenario where if they presented a full scale rebuild that maybe he just opts to move on vs deal with the stresses of a long ass losing baseball season where people will point finger at you for alot of it.

-In college as a Manager Murphy went 947-400-2.
-As a manager in the minors he went 320-252 in 5 years
-His 1 year as interim manager with the Padres he went 42-54

He has alot of experience and success as being the head guy in charge. Will this translate to success in the majors? Who knows

I don't mind Pat Murphy getting hired as the manager. What concerns me is Rickie Weeks getting fast tracked to be the next manager. What has he done that he's getting this kind of push?

Brewster wrote:I don't mind Pat Murphy getting hired as the manager. What concerns me is Rickie Weeks getting fast tracked to be the next manager. What has he done that he's getting this kind of push?

We have no idea what ideas or concepts Weeks has relayed in his time with the Front office. Counsell originally came from a front office background after his playing days and it's possible that Rickie has shown behind the scenes to be able to grasp things in a similar way that Counsell was. I think it's safe to assume he showed something within the organization to impress people. That certainly doesn't mean he'll succeed but there's like a reason he is getting this opportunity

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Brewster wrote:I don't mind Pat Murphy getting hired as the manager. What concerns me is Rickie Weeks getting fast tracked to be the next manager. What has he done that he's getting this kind of push?

We have no idea what ideas or concepts Weeks has relayed in his time with the Front office. Counsell originally came from a front office background after his playing days and it's possible that Rickie has shown behind the scenes to be able to grasp things in a similar way that Counsell was. I think it's safe to assume he showed something within the organization to impress people. That certainly doesn't mean he'll succeed but there's like a reason he is getting this opportunity

Yeah I don't know how fans really have opinions on these guys. If a guys has managed before or even been a hitting or pitching coach then you at least have some track record judge. With these guys in behind the scenes front office or coaching we have nothing to go on. They might be geniuses or idiots but I don't know how the hell an average fan can make that determination.

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I always considered Weeks a very low IQ player. So him being bench coach surprises me. But let’s see.


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Just because Rickie doesn't give a good interview doesn't mean he can't coach.

wallus wrote:Just because Rickie doesn't give a good interview doesn't mean he can't coach.

Hence my let's see comment. I just think it is a weird fit given the kind of player he was. It would be like if someone told me Geoff Jenkins was named hitting coach. The guy would rather bat .100 than get rid of his leg kick. Or Ben Sheets being your bunting coach.

Happy to be wrong, just seems odd versus someone that was a really cerebral type player in their day. A guy like Jon Lucroy or Lorenzo Cain would have been more what I was expecting.

Not a bench coach but an associate manager. Interesting, haven't heard that a lot.

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Not a bench coach but an associate manager. Interesting, haven't heard that a lot.

Yea the title that he was given certainly is interesting and leans into the idea that he's being groomed to eventually take over

I’m guessing Arnold wanted Weeks but the players said they wanted Murphy. This is the compromise


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LittleRooster wrote:I’m guessing Arnold wanted Weeks but the players said they wanted Murphy. This is the compromise


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Or Mark A was like "how can i fill my coaching staff with everyone from last year so i dont have to pay the guys i fired plus a new staff because im a horrible owner" so he kept everyone, promoted murphy and brought on weeks to take over in a few years.

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LittleRooster wrote:I’m guessing Arnold wanted Weeks but the players said they wanted Murphy. This is the compromise


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Or Mark A was like "how can i fill my coaching staff with everyone from last year so i dont have to pay the guys i fired plus a new staff because im a horrible owner" so he kept everyone, promoted murphy and brought on weeks to take over in a few years.

Most of the coaches reupped this offseason. It wouldn't have cost anything to replace them if the Brewers wanted to

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LittleRooster wrote:I’m guessing Arnold wanted Weeks but the players said they wanted Murphy. This is the compromise


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Or Mark A was like "how can i fill my coaching staff with everyone from last year so i dont have to pay the guys i fired plus a new staff because im a horrible owner" so he kept everyone, promoted murphy and brought on weeks to take over in a few years.

Yeah what a horrible owner to want to retain a coaching staff that has largely done good work and kept a good culture in place for the organization. You really exposed him.

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neiLz wrote:

LittleRooster wrote:I’m guessing Arnold wanted Weeks but the players said they wanted Murphy. This is the compromise


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Or Mark A was like "how can i fill my coaching staff with everyone from last year so i dont have to pay the guys i fired plus a new staff because im a horrible owner" so he kept everyone, promoted murphy and brought on weeks to take over in a few years.

Yeah what a horrible owner to want to retain a coaching staff that has largely done good work and kept a good culture in place for the organization. You really exposed him.

Hey let me have my irrational takes!

Maybe Weeks will pull a Stotts and bail before the season starts.