Rosenthal: Jays, Mets trade may be expanding beyond Dickey

[hyper316]

Harvey is not gonna be part of this trade. Lay down the pipe.

So even if we overpay with d'Arnaud and throw in supporting prospects like Norris+ we won't get Harvey? Lay down the pipe.

You're the only one having a pipe dream.

I don't think Jays need another rotation SP in Harvey. There's just no space.

Johnson
Dickey
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero

Sure, you can say Jays need pitching depth in case of injuries, but not young arms like Harvey that need a starting role to grow. Injury promoted SP are for the likes of CV and Happ, who really belongs in the bullpen and do spot starts. It's better off for the Jays to stash their young arms in low A who are 3-4 years away from big leagues. Look at how the Rays bring up their SP, let the young arms develop and dont rush them.

[MikeM]

If things are being expanded then we must be getting Ike Davis as well.

[mapko81]

Why is the Ninja letting this info leak?

[TheseSicklyKeys]

the proposed deal grew in size upon Toronto's willingness to include D'Arnaud, the game's best catching prospect.

If you tell me AA had a chance to deal a certain man named JPA instead.

What makes you think that could have been the case?

[acemann]

im not crazy about ike davis.

[hyper316]

it's hard to keep things quiet on the newly crowned Cy Young winner

getting Dickey is a win-now move for the next 3 years. TDA may not be able to produce big league leagues in 1-2 years. With Bautista in his prime now, I applaud AA for his willingness to trade key prospects for a chance to win now.

AA has done a fine job stocking the farms, my confidence is in him to continue to do so. now with the chance to upgrade the team with a CY YOUNG winner, I'd do this 100x over again to win now. think of the excitement in the club house when the GM is pulling off major trades and ownership stepping up with the money. it's going to be a complete culture change and winning is on the players' minds.

[SharoneWright]

^
I sure hope Bautista heals.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Why is the Ninja letting this info leak?

Because a trade involves two teams, and the other team is a New York based team that employs JP Ricciardi that would stand to benefit from leaking information to drive up Dickey's value.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

im not crazy about ike davis.

Nor should you be. He can't hit left-handed pitching, so there would be no reason at all to have him on this team.

[DeenNY31]

lol you guys are delusional if you think we are giving up ike or niese

Its gonna be dickey and maybe someone like murphy, duda, and/or parnell for D'arnaud, gose +

[RedArmy]

the proposed deal grew in size upon Toronto's willingness to include D'Arnaud, the game's best catching prospect.

If you tell me AA had a chance to deal a certain man named JPA instead.

What makes you think that could have been the case?

The 'proposed deal' involving Dickey grew, which means Mets GM weren't hellbent on D'Arnaud and was willing to listen. Do AA love his boy JPA that much??

[distracted]

The 'proposed deal' involving Dickey grew, which means Mets GM weren't hellbent on D'Arnaud and was willing to listen. Do AA love his boy JPA that much??

Proposed by whom though?

If the Mets proposed Dickey for TDA, that's still the proposed deal. It could have grown because AA wasn't willing to give up TDA for Dickey alone, but there may be some other way to find appropriate value for both sides by including others.

[Raider917]

are the angels talking with dickey as well?

[The_Hater]

I don't think Jays need another rotation SP in Harvey. There's just no space.

Johnson
Dickey
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero

Sure, you can say Jays need pitching depth in case of injuries, but not young arms like Harvey that need a starting role to grow. Injury promoted SP are for the likes of CV and Happ, who really belongs in the bullpen and do spot starts. It's better off for the Jays to stash their young arms in low A who are 3-4 years away from big leagues. Look at how the Rays bring up their SP, let the young arms develop and dont rush them.

You recognize the importance of rotation depth and then argue that there's no space? After watching Romero last season I'm not sure why everyone is so convinced that he'll bounce back. Then there's Morrow and Johnson who always have trouble playing 6 straight months without visiting the IL.

Either way, you can never have too much starting pitching and I would definitely argue that the Jays don't currently have enough depth at the position.

[Komodo]

I realize d'Arnaud is MLB-ready but isn't his loss somewhat offset if we draft a good position player with our top-10 pick? Of course the issue is JP's lackluster ability behind the plate and that's imperative considering our quality of pitching, but the pick is certainly a major plus, no?