Can we get someone better than Mike Wilner?

[Santoki]

That's from quite a ways back now! Unfortunately he doesn't fit with the makeup of most sports media personalities now, which is to be outrageous and loud without saying anything particularly interesting.

That would play pretty well with a lot of networks.

[C Court]

Heard Wilner on Tim and Sid. Wilner was defending Gibby. He said that no MLB manager can impact the outcome of more than two or three games a year. If Wilner had been in the studio, Tim would gave punched him.

[Randle McMurphy]

Heard Wilner on Tim and Sid. Wilner was defending Gibby. He said that no MLB manager can impact the outcome of more than two or three games a year. If Wilner had been in the studio, Tim would gave punched him.

Not sure why. Again, that's another true statement. Their impact is pretty negligible on the whole.

[C Court]

So a top tier MLB manager is only worth 2 or 3 wins max over 162 games?

Uh, okay......

[Randle McMurphy]

So a top tier MLB manager is only worth 2 or 3 wins max over 162 games?

Uh, okay......

Are you one of those Maddon 20+ win proponents or something?

There's only so much that managers can do that differentiate themselves from the others in this sport. It's not like this is a basketball/football game where the coaches are out there running different offensive and defensive schemes. For his part, Gibbons does a lot less stupid **** than most (at least until this September when the organization decided to go into tank mode), but that in itself isn't going to lead to a ton more wins over the course of 162 games. Ultimately, it's the players that largely determine what a team's record is.

Criticizing baseball managers is a pastime as American as baseball itself. Players make their share of gaffes, but few mistakes are dissected with as much scrutiny as those made by the men in the dugout, especially during the postseason. Whether it’s his faulty in-game tactical choices or just the vague sense that he’s lost control of the clubhouse, the manager is an easy target. (As the old saying goes, you can’t fire the players.)

Yet sabermetrics tells us that most dugout decisions barely have any effect on the outcome of the game.1 Furthermore, if we look at effects on player performance, it’s evident that hardly any manager can distinguish himself from his counterparts. Based on my analysis, 95 percent of all managers are worth somewhere between -2 and +2 wins per 162 games. Last year alone, 21 batters and seven pitchers were worth more to their teams than nearly every manager of the last 112 years.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mos ... rity/#fn-1

[C Court]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

[Modern_epic]

If a player can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

FTFY.

If a manager could effect more than a couple wins, they would be paid more than guys in the bullpen.

[BigLeagueChew]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

[s e n s i]

john farrell and joe maddon must have changed their pre-game pump up routines this year

[Trilogy]

Baseball's not even a sport where you can really fire up a team because there is next to no effort based advantage in the sport. Hell, being amped up at the plate can actually be a hindrance because you can swing at more crap outside the zone.

Gibbons remains fine for me, despite odd decisions this past month. He's generally logical in what he does tactically normally and the impact of a manager outside of that is honestly relatively minimal.

[Santoki]

It'll be easy for the media to pick on Gibby, but is everyone just going to sit there and accept that AA's job is not under criticism anymore because of that one report?

What happened to all those people saying he'd be gone this year if they missed the playoffs?

[Regulator]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

Spot on. Don't understand how these variables are overlooked.

[Fairview4Life]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

Spot on. Don't understand how these variables are overlooked.

John Farrell 2012 vs. 2013 vs. 2014. That's how.

[Michael Bradley]

I am on the "manager's don't make a big difference" side of this argument, but it's hard to argue that point when Gibbons is putting out crappy lineups every night and contributing to the team's losses by playing inferior players on purpose. In the case of the Jays, the manager is making a difference by playing the wrong players, but what Gibbons is doing now is almost unheard of in baseball. I've never seen a situation where a team benches MLB players in favor of bad minor leaguers. For legit prospects, maybe, but never for middling never-will-be's.

[C Court]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

Spot on. Don't understand how these variables are overlooked.

John Farrell 2012 vs. 2013 vs. 2014. That's how.

For starters, losing Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Stephen Drew. That's how.

[Randle McMurphy]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Now I'm not sure if you're even paying attention. With only a few exceptions in recent history (LaRussa/Cox/Torre), that's basically what most major league teams in baseball do with their managers. One look at their salaries and it's very clear they aren't valued highly. If teams thought they were worth more than that and that there was a significant tangible difference between them, the market would be far different.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

[s e n s i]

tim micallef is probably the last personality on the fan that anyone should be quoting on baseball related things

[C Court]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Now I'm not sure if you're even paying attention. With only a few exceptions in recent history (LaRussa/Cox/Torre), that's basically what most major league teams in baseball do with their managers. One look at their salaries and it's very clear they aren't valued highly. If teams thought they were worth more than that and that there was a significant tangible difference between them, the market would be far different.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

Your gifs are so cute. Your family must be very proud.

[Randle McMurphy]

If a manager can only effect 2 or 3 wins (max), then why bother? Just hire the cheapest guy you can find.

Now I'm not sure if you're even paying attention. With only a few exceptions in recent history (LaRussa/Cox/Torre), that's basically what most major league teams in baseball do with their managers. One look at their salaries and it's very clear they aren't valued highly. If teams thought they were worth more than that and that there was a significant tangible difference between them, the market would be far different.

Anyone who believes this, is not understanding the role of leadership from a manager. A good manager's value goes way beyond in-game tactical moves. A winning manager is a master motivator who coaxes the best out of his players. That includes ensuring the team plays fundamentally sound baseball and remains focused through a 162 game schedule

Like Tim told Wilner, its about the manager being an effective 'leader of men', not simply based on whether he calls a hit & run in the 151st game of the year.

Your gifs are so cute. Your family must be very proud.

Thank you. It's either that or wasting even more of my time on this antiquated nonsense. To go with your complete denial of obvious facts, you have yet to make make one cogent or logically consistent point here. My advice would be just to stop before you embarrass yourself further.

[C Court]

Now I'm not sure if you're even paying attention. With only a few exceptions in recent history (LaRussa/Cox/Torre), that's basically what most major league teams in baseball do with their managers. One look at their salaries and it's very clear they aren't valued highly. If teams thought they were worth more than that and that there was a significant tangible difference between them, the market would be far different.

Your gifs are so cute. Your family must be very proud.

Thank you. It's either that or wasting even more of my time on this antiquated nonsense. To go with your complete denial of obvious facts, you have yet to make make one cogent or logically consistent point here. My advice would be just to stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Charming. You trying to get banned for a second time?