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Post#1 Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus top 10
Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:41 am by Kaizen

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Toronto Blue Jays
1. Kyle Drabek, RHP (13)
2. Brett Lawrie, 2B (37)
3. Zach Stewart, RHP (44)
4. Travis d'Arnaud, C (57)
5. J.P. Arencibia, C (82)
6. Adeiny Hechavarria, SS (96)
7. Aaron Sanchez, RHP (99)
8. Anthony Gose, CF
9. Carlos Perez, C
10. Henderson Alvarez, RHP
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Post#2 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:53 am by Kaizen

I will not post their list but the Rays are stacked...again.
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Post#3 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:14 am by Hoopstarr

Don't know about quoting rules, but here are some notes on each:

Drabek
-"Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97, and pairs it with an out-pitch curveball, hard in the mid-80s with good depth, but his changeup had lagged behind. That last pitch is more solid-average now, straight with better arm speed, and he can use that or a new cut fastball to get left-handed hitters out, as well as a two-seamer to keep hitters from timing his four-seamer."
-"Does not have a perfect delivery. He can cut himself off and throw slightly across his body, and despite having a strong lower half he doesn't use his legs enough to generate velocity."

Lawrie
-"Lawrie has one of the best right-handed swings in the minors, and he has added strength and power since last offseason"
-"His swing is clean, and he has good hand speed. He uses his lower half well with good leverage and above-average raw power already at age 20. He's also an above-average runner who plays all-out all the time, so no one questions his work ethic."
-"Better than even chance" he ends up in the outfield unless Butterfield works his magic
-Mentions his reputation for not taking instruction in Milwaukee. Clean slate in TO.

Stewart
-"a four-pitch guy who can miss bats and get groundballs. Stewart will pitch in the low 90 mph range but touches 96, and his fastball has both sink and tail to it. His slider is his best offspeed pitch, tight at 83-87 with good tilt, and he commands the pitch well, throwing it to both sides of the plate. His changeup improved substantially as the year went on, 81-85, straight, but with excellent arm speed. His curve has good depth but he doesn't command it well and it's not as tight as the slider."
-"His fastball movement has limited his control, and he'll have to work on cutting down on free passes, but there's No. 2 starter potential here, No. 3 at worst, as long as he can throw enough strikes."

D'Arnaud
-Says D'Arnaud was and is the sleeper in the Doc trade and the Jays wanted him out of high school.
-"On defense, he's a true catch-and-throw guy with a 60 arm, great hands and good rapport with pitchers. His swing is easy and repeatable and he'll show plus raw power in BP now that he's started to fill out."
-Has changed his conditioning to improve his core area to prevent another back injury
-Expects him to break out in New Hampshire

JPA
-"He's not a disciplined hitter, doesn't work the count, and tends to pull off the ball because he's trying to pull it out, but he'll run into enough mistakes every year to make up for the low OBP."
-"Behind the plate, he's worked to maximize his agility but he's held back by slow feet, which also limit some of the gains from his arm strength."

Adeiny
-"His hands and range are undeniable; his arm is above-average but he tends to sling it from a slot somewhere south of sidearm, putting some tail on his throws to first that could cause a first baseman trouble."
-"At the plate, he has a long swing and struggles with pitch recognition, and probably should have spent the whole year in A-ball -- he was pushed to Double-A because of his glove."
-Doesn't see him as a star but projects .260-.280 avg with 10-12 homers and plus defense.
-He has fellow Cuban Jose Iglesias at #45
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Post#4 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:00 pm by Kaizen

Sanchez is now listed at 99.

Sanchez was one of the cleanest, most projectable high school arms in this past Rule 4 draft, yet for no reason anyone can understand, he slid out of the first round. (My theory: He indicated to teams he was signable in the sandwich round, so some clubs figured they could wait on him and concentrate first on players who would take only first-round money.)

He was 91-93 in the spring but up to 95 regularly in instructional league, and has good feel for an average curveball in the mid-to-upper 70s. He'll need to use his changeup more to develop the same feel for that pitch, but otherwise just has to get stronger. His delivery already works well (with a nice long stride to the plate) and he's going to command the fastball well in time.

Pro scouts who caught him in September couldn't believe he slid out of the first round, and the Blue Jays must have downed an extra clam eye or two after they got him.
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Post#5 7 Blue Jays make Keith Law's top 100 prospect
Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:49 pm by Kapono

13 RHP Kyle Drabek Toronto 6-1 190 23
37 2B Brett Lawrie Toronto 6-0 213 21
44 RHP Zach Stewart Toronto 6-2 205 24
57 C Travis d'Arnaud Toronto 6-2 195 21
82 C J.P. Arencibia Toronto 6-1 210 25
96 SS Adeiny HechevarriaToronto 5-11 180 21
99 RHP Aaron Sanchez Toronto 6-4 190 18
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Post#6 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:50 pm by mikero

Law is having a chat right now. Here's the Jays related questions:

Thanks for all of your hard work Keith. Looks like the Jays have a nice haul in your top 100....what happened to Deck McGuire?
Klaw: Ceiling is a 4th starter. I took guys for their top 10 who offered more than that.

Hecevarria or Igelisas as a better pro SS, in both offense and defense?
Klaw: Iglesias for defense. Hechavarria has much more potential on offense.

Toughest player to rank this year was ________.
Klaw: Lawrie was a tough one - position questions, makeup questions, will the change of scenery help? Betting hard on the swing, youth, and some athleticism.

Was Anthony Gose close to making the top 100? I've heard some Carl Crawford comparisons, any validity?
Klaw: Yeah, two fast African-American outfielders. Gose can play CF, which Crawford never could/did, but is a long way off at the plate.

Valle close to the Top 100? Him or d'Arnaud long-term?
Klaw: d'Arnaud.

Who are couple guys in bottom of the top 100 that have the best chance to be top 20ish next year? Sanchez? Hak Lee?
Klaw: Gary Sanchez, yes. Could see Aaron Sanchez make a big jump, for that matter. Hamilton, Matias, McNutt, Arcia, Zach Lee.

Do you think JPA's most likely career path has him turning into Miguel Olivo (ie a 20 HR guy with a good arm but no OBP)?
Klaw: That's a nice player, actually. I don't think he's quite the unrepentant hacker that Olivo is, though.
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Post#7 Re: 7 Blue Jays make Keith Law's top 100 pros
Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:46 pm by Avenger

More Blue Jays on the list than any other team including the super elite system of Kansas City, they obviously have a more high end guys though.

Here's the top 100 BTW
1 CF Mike Trout LA Angels 6-1 217 19
2 RF Bryce Harper Washington 6-2 245 18
3 RF Domonic Brown Philadelphia 6-5 200 23
4 C Jesus Montero NY Yankees 6-4 225 21
5 1B Eric Hosmer Kansas City 6-4 215 21
6 RHP Julio Teheran Atlanta 6-2 150 20
7 2B Dustin Ackley Seattle 6-1 185 22
8 C/RF Wil Myers Kansas City 6-3 190 20
9 RHP Shelby Miller St. Louis 6-1 190 20
10 CF/RF Aaron Hicks Minnesota 6-2 185 21
11 LHP Zach Britton Baltimore 6-3 195 23
12 LHP Manny Banuelos NY Yankees 5-10 155 19
13 RHP Kyle Drabek Toronto 6-1 190 23
14 RHP Jeremy Hellickson Tampa Bay 6-1 185 23
15 LHP Aroldis Chapman Cincinnati 6-4 185 22
16 LHP Matt Moore Tampa Bay 6-2 205 21
17 1B Brandon Belt San Francisco 6-1 210 22
18 LHP Martin Perez Texas 6-0 178 19
19 RHP Casey Kelly San Diego 6-3 195 21
20 CF Desmond Jennings Tampa Bay 6-2 200 24
21 RHP Michael Pineda Seattle 6-5 245 22
22 RHP Jacob Turner Detroit 6-5 210 19
23 3B Mike Moustakas Kansas City 5-11 230 22
24 LHP Tyler Matzek Colorado 6-3 210 20
25 RHP Jarrod Parker Arizona 6-1 180 22
26 SS Manny Machado Baltimore 6-3 185 18
27 1B/LF Jonathan Singleton Philadelphia 6-2 215 19
28 LHP Mike Montgomery Kansas City 6-5 180 21
29 3B Miguel Sano Minnesota 6-3 195 17
30 RHP Jameson Taillon Pittsburgh 6-6 225 19
31 C Devin Mesoraco Cincinnati 6-1 220 22
32 RHP Kyle Gibson Minnesota 6-6 210 23
33 C Derek Norris Washington 6-0 210 21
34 RHP Jarred Cosart Philadelphia 6-3 180 20
35 2B/SS Jean Segura LA Angels 5-11 155 20
36 RHP Zack Wheeler San Francisco 6-3 180 20
37 2B Brett Lawrie Toronto 6-0 213 21
38 1B Anthony Rizzo San Diego 6-3 220 21
39 3B Lonnie Chisenhall Cleveland 6-1 200 22
40 RHP Chris Archer Tampa Bay 6-3 180 22
41 LHP John Lamb Kansas City 6-3 195 20
42 RHP Jordan Lyles Houston 6-4 215 20
43 1B Freddie Freeman Atlanta 6-5 225 21
44 RHP Zach Stewart Toronto 6-2 205 24
45 SS Jose Iglesias Boston 5-11 175 21
46 LF/RF Jaff Decker San Diego 5-10 190 20
47 RHP Arodys Vizcaino Atlanta 6-0 189 20
48 SS Wilmer Flores NY Mets 6-3 175 19
49 SS Hak-Ju Lee Tampa Bay 6-2 170 20
50 RHP Randall Delgado Atlanta 6-3 200 20
51 SS Billy Hamilton Cincinnati 6-1 160 20
52 RHP Carlos Matias St. Louis 6-0 165 19
53 SS Nick Franklin Seattle 6-1 170 19
54 RHP Anthony Ranaudo Boston 6-7 225 21
55 3B Matt Dominguez Florida 6-1 205 21
56 2B Jason Kipnis Cleveland 5-10 175 23
57 C Travis d'Arnaud Toronto 6-2 195 21
58 SS Grant Green Oakland 6-3 180 23
59 C Yasmani Grandal Cincinnati 6-2 215 22
60 LHP Drew Pomeranz Cleveland 6-5 231 22
61 LHP Mike Minor Atlanta 6-3 210 23
62 C Hank Conger LA Angels 6-1 220 22
63 C Tony Sanchez Pittsburgh 6-0 213 22
64 RHP Simon Castro San Diego 6-5 210 22
65 1B Yonder Alonso Cincinnati 6-2 210 23
66 RHP Trey McNutt Chicago Cubs 6-4 205 21
67 LHP Chris Sale Chicago WS 6-5 170 21
68 C Gary Sanchez NY Yankees 6-2 195 18
69 C Wilin Rosario Colorado 5-11 190 21
70 SS Devaris Gordon LA Dodgers 5-11 150 22
71 CF Ben Revere Minnesota 5-9 175 22
72 3B Zack Cox St. Louis 6-0 215 21
73 RHP Dellin Betances NY Yankees 6-8 245 22
74 OF Oswaldo Arcia Minnesota 6-0 210 19
75 3B Nick Castellanos Detroit 6-4 195 18
76 RHP Brody Colvin Philadelphia 6-3 195 20
77 LHP Alex Torres Tampa Bay 5-10 175 23
78 LHP Tyler Skaggs Arizona 6-4 195 19
79 1B/OF Christian Yelich Florida 6-4 189 19
80 1B/OF Chris Carter Oakland 6-5 230 24
81 SS Jurickson Profar Texas 5-11 165 17
82 C J.P. Arencibia Toronto 6-1 210 25
83 RHP Matt Harvey NY Mets 6-4 225 21
84 SS Chris Owings Arizona 5-11 170 19
85 RHP Jordan Walden LA Angels 6-5 240 23
86 3B Matt Davidson Arizona 6-3 225 19
87 LHP Christian Friedrich Colorado 6-4 215 23
88 RHP Andrew Brackman NY Yankees 6-10 240 25
89 RHP Alex Colome Tampa Bay 6-2 184 22
90 LHP Drake Britton Boston 6-2 200 21
91 RHP Zach Lee LA Dodgers 6-4 190 19
92 3B Nolan Arenado Colorado 6-1 205 19
93 RHP Trevor May Philadelphia 6-5 215 21
94 RHP Rubby de la Rosa LA Dodgers 6-1 170 21
95 C Wilson Ramos Washington 6-0 220 23
96 SS Adeiny Hechevarria Toronto 5-11 180 21
97 LHP Jake McGee Tampa Bay 6-3 190 24
98 LHP Danny Duffy Kansas City 6-3 195 22
99 RHP Aaron Sanchez Toronto 6-4 190 18
100 OF James Jones Seattle 6-4 195 22
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Post#8 Re: 7 Blue Jays make Keith Law's top 100 pros
Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:50 pm by j127

Damn, it would have been nice to somehow have gotten Domonic Brown from the Phillies instead of Michael Taylor. :(
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Post#9 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:15 pm by YogiStewart

thought that comment about Deck was interesting.
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Post#10 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:22 pm by Avenger

scouting reports on the Blue Jay prospects, i don't know if they're different from what hoopstarrsp posted before

Drabek made significant strides this year in the Toronto system, raising his ceiling in the process by refining one pitch he had and adding two more to his repertoire. Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97, and pairs it with an out-pitch curveball, hard in the mid-80s with good depth, but his changeup had lagged behind. That last pitch is more solid-average now, straight with better arm speed, and he can use that or a new cut fastball to get left-handed hitters out, as well as a two-seamer to keep hitters from timing his four-seamer.

Drabek, the son of 1990 NL Cy Young winner Doug Drabek, did miss a year with Tommy John surgery, and he does not have a perfect delivery. He can cut himself off and throw slightly across his body, and despite having a strong lower half he doesn't use his legs enough to generate velocity. He is, however, major league ready right now, with the weapons to miss bats while he works on his command and the development of his lesser pitches.

Lawrie has one of the best right-handed swings in the minors, and he has added strength and power since last offseason while wearing out his welcome in Milwaukee and changing addresses in the Shaun Marcum trade.

His swing is clean, and he has good hand speed. He uses his lower half well with good leverage and above-average raw power already at age 20. He's also an above-average runner who plays all-out all the time, so no one questions his work ethic. At second base, Lawrie is a hitter, and there's a better than even chance he will end up in the outfield, but the Blue Jays will see whether their outstanding infield coach, Brian Butterfield, can make second or even third base work.

Lawrie did acquire a reputation as a difficult player who didn't like to take instruction in Milwaukee, but the slate is clean for him in Toronto, a club that coveted him since it missed out on him in the 2008 draft. The Blue Jays believe they now have the Canadian-born star they've been seeking.


The industry remains split on whether Stewart is a starter or a power sinker/slider reliever, but I still don't see a good reason to remove him from the future rotation, as he's a four-pitch guy who can miss bats and get groundballs. Stewart will pitch in the low 90 mph range but touches 96, and his fastball has both sink and tail to it. His slider is his best offspeed pitch, tight at 83-87 with good tilt, and he commands the pitch well, throwing it to both sides of the plate. His changeup improved substantially as the year went on, 81-85, straight, but with excellent arm speed. His curve has good depth but he doesn't command it well and it's not as tight as the slider.

He stays over the rubber before driving forward with a long stride, although his arm action is a little long in the back and he pronates relatively late in the delivery. His fastball movement has limited his control, and he'll have to work on cutting down on free passes, but there's No. 2 starter potential here, No. 3 at worst, as long as he can throw enough strikes.


D'Arnaud was -- and still is -- the sleeper from the Roy Halladay trade, a player the Blue Jays coveted since high school and finally landed in the biggest trade of Alex Anthopoulos' career. He's a complete prospect, a plus defender across the board with future plus power and a chance to hit as long as he can stay healthy.

On defense, he's a true catch-and-throw guy with a 60 arm, great hands and good rapport with pitchers. His swing is easy and repeatable and he'll show plus raw power in BP now that he's started to fill out. His 2010 season was a slight disappointment because of minor back trouble that kept him off the field, but he's changed his conditioning routine to increase his core work in the hopes of preventing a recurrence.

Look for him to break out in New Hampshire this year once his back is healthy and he's out of the heavy air of the Florida State League.




Hechavarria is a flashy shortstop who can play the position but has a ways to go with the bat. The Jays obviously think highly of him having given the Cuban a $10 million contract last April. He's a long, loose, fast-twitch player who does just about everything in the field with panache, like there are 20 cameras on him. His hands and range are undeniable; his arm is above-average but he tends to sling it from a slot somewhere south of sidearm, putting some tail on his throws to first that could cause a first baseman trouble.

At the plate, he has a long swing and struggles with pitch recognition, and probably should have spent the whole year in A-ball -- he was pushed to Double-A because of his glove. He had good contact rates despite his overall difficulty at the plate, and he had less experience than a typical 21-year-old in Double-A who had three years in college or in the low minors under his belt. I don't think Hechavarria is a star, but could see him hitting in the .260-.280 range with 10-12 homers and plus defense.

Sanchez was one of the cleanest, most projectable high school arms in this past Rule 4 draft, yet for no reason anyone can understand, he slid out of the first round. (My theory: He indicated to teams he was signable in the sandwich round, so some clubs figured they could wait on him and concentrate first on players who would take only first-round money.)

He was 91-93 in the spring but up to 95 regularly in instructional league, and has good feel for an average curveball in the mid-to-upper 70s. He'll need to use his changeup more to develop the same feel for that pitch, but otherwise just has to get stronger. His delivery already works well (with a nice long stride to the plate) and he's going to command the fastball well in time.

Pro scouts who caught him in September couldn't believe he slid out of the first round, and the Blue Jays must have downed an extra clam eye or two after they got him.
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Post#11 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:59 pm by Kaizen

Rays have 8 on this list which is the most.
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Post#12 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:05 pm by Hendrix

What are the approximate chances that these guys make it?

Like shoukd we be moving Aaron Hill if he has a good year, so that we can go 2b-Escobar, SS-Hech, 3b-Lawrie?

Seems like potential for some very good D up the middle. I'm not exactly seeing where Lawrie or Hech fits in if we're keeping Hil. Do we just move Hill to 3rd if Hech makes it and Laerie doesnt, and keep Hill at 2nd and move Lawrie to 3rd if Hech doesnt make it?

also, not really super happy about hearing the odds of Lawrie being in the OF
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Post#13 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:47 pm by luvtheteam

YogiStewart wrote:thought that comment about Deck was interesting.


Yeah...and there's no way the jay's scouting staff would agree with that assessment. They didn't send a dozen guys to check him out, then take him in the first round because he projects as a 4th starter. That's just dumb! In fact, other 'experts' have said Deck probably should have gone higher. For whatever reason, i guess he just doesn't like him.
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Post#14 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:58 pm by luvtheteam

There seems to be a lot of delusion, IMO, about Drabek. Law is a perfect example of this where he opens with: 'Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97' I creates the wrong impression that this guy is a power pitcher that mixes in some good offspeed stuff. That wouldn't be my assessment at all.

I think he's got a great curve,but as i've stated before , his fastball scares me because he's not overpowering and it just seems flat to me. I think guys are going to sit on it and whack the snot out of it! Especially in games where he can't get his offspeed stuff over.

I'm hoping the pitching staff can work with him and try to get some movement on that fastball.
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Post#15 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:04 pm by guvernator

luvtheteam wrote:There seems to be a lot of delusion, IMO, about Drabek. Law is a perfect example of this where he opens with: 'Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97' I creates the wrong impression that this guy is a power pitcher that mixes in some good offspeed stuff. That wouldn't be my assessment at all.

I think he's got a great curve,but as i've stated before , his fastball scares me because he's not overpowering and it just seems flat to me. I think guys are going to sit on it and whack the snot out of it! Especially in games where he can't get his offspeed stuff over.

I'm hoping the pitching staff can work with him and try to get some movement on that fastball.



Disagree with your assessment on his fastball. In his 3 starts he showed 3 types of fastball (4 seam, 2seasm and a cutter). His 4 seamer was upto 97 but stayed around 92-94, but I was more impressed with his 2 seamer - doc like movement.
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Post#16 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:42 pm by luvtheteam

guvernator wrote:
luvtheteam wrote:There seems to be a lot of delusion, IMO, about Drabek. Law is a perfect example of this where he opens with: 'Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97' I creates the wrong impression that this guy is a power pitcher that mixes in some good offspeed stuff. That wouldn't be my assessment at all.

I think he's got a great curve,but as i've stated before , his fastball scares me because he's not overpowering and it just seems flat to me. I think guys are going to sit on it and whack the snot out of it! Especially in games where he can't get his offspeed stuff over.

I'm hoping the pitching staff can work with him and try to get some movement on that fastball.



Disagree with your assessment on his fastball. In his 3 starts he showed 3 types of fastball (4 seam, 2seasm and a cutter). His 4 seamer was upto 97 but stayed around 92-94, but I was more impressed with his 2 seamer - doc like movement.


guv...i didn't see it, nor the velocity you speak of. Heh...if he was really throwing like that wouldn't he have had like 20+ wins in double AA? And strikeouts per 9 better that 7.3?

I think his curveball is 'out of this world' good though.
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Post#17 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:44 pm by WpgPage

Hendrix wrote:What are the approximate chances that these guys make it?

Like shoukd we be moving Aaron Hill if he has a good year, so that we can go 2b-Escobar, SS-Hech, 3b-Lawrie?

Seems like potential for some very good D up the middle. I'm not exactly seeing where Lawrie or Hech fits in if we're keeping Hil. Do we just move Hill to 3rd if Hech makes it and Laerie doesnt, and keep Hill at 2nd and move Lawrie to 3rd if Hech doesnt make it?

also, not really super happy about hearing the odds of Lawrie being in the OF



I would say at this point that Lawrie is almost a for sure just position is a question, Heck and D'anraud are more of questions. I regards to Hill if he has a good season and you can move him then I would absolutely do it, if everyone keeps progressing packaging Hill, JPA, and some arms for a CF or a solid SP would be nice. Lawrie, Hech, Escobar, Lind, D'Arnoud would theoretically create elite infield D.
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Post#18 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:04 pm by LBJSeizedMyID

luvtheteam wrote:There seems to be a lot of delusion, IMO, about Drabek. Law is a perfect example of this where he opens with: 'Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97' I creates the wrong impression that this guy is a power pitcher that mixes in some good offspeed stuff. That wouldn't be my assessment at all.

I think he's got a great curve,but as i've stated before , his fastball scares me because he's not overpowering and it just seems flat to me. I think guys are going to sit on it and whack the snot out of it! Especially in games where he can't get his offspeed stuff over.

I'm hoping the pitching staff can work with him and try to get some movement on that fastball.


You do realize Drabek was voted as having the best fastball/curveball combination in the minors right? He got his starts at the end of the season, so fatigue could've played a small factor, but his cutter was the pitch I was most impressed with watching his starts. He won't be a dominant nine strikeout pitcher but he was never tagged to be that kind of pitcher anyway.
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Post#19 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:23 pm by Avenger

luvtheteam wrote:There seems to be a lot of delusion, IMO, about Drabek. Law is a perfect example of this where he opens with: 'Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97' I creates the wrong impression that this guy is a power pitcher that mixes in some good offspeed stuff. That wouldn't be my assessment at all.

I think he's got a great curve,but as i've stated before , his fastball scares me because he's not overpowering and it just seems flat to me. I think guys are going to sit on it and whack the snot out of it! Especially in games where he can't get his offspeed stuff over.

I'm hoping the pitching staff can work with him and try to get some movement on that fastball.

Drabek has a ton of movement on his fastball, he's not using his 4 seamer and almost completely relies on that 2 seamer that has nasty late movement to it. If you go back and look at the highlights of his debut you can he's got a ton of movement on that pitch
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Post#20 Re: Keith Law's Top 10 Jays prospects plus to
Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:55 pm by soulchild_07

luvtheteam wrote:
guvernator wrote:
luvtheteam wrote:There seems to be a lot of delusion, IMO, about Drabek. Law is a perfect example of this where he opens with: 'Drabek has always had the plus fastball, 92-97' I creates the wrong impression that this guy is a power pitcher that mixes in some good offspeed stuff. That wouldn't be my assessment at all.

I think he's got a great curve,but as i've stated before , his fastball scares me because he's not overpowering and it just seems flat to me. I think guys are going to sit on it and whack the snot out of it! Especially in games where he can't get his offspeed stuff over.

I'm hoping the pitching staff can work with him and try to get some movement on that fastball.



Disagree with your assessment on his fastball. In his 3 starts he showed 3 types of fastball (4 seam, 2seasm and a cutter). His 4 seamer was upto 97 but stayed around 92-94, but I was more impressed with his 2 seamer - doc like movement.


guv...i didn't see it, nor the velocity you speak of. Heh...if he was really throwing like that wouldn't he have had like 20+ wins in double AA? And strikeouts per 9 better that 7.3?

I think his curveball is 'out of this world' good though.


Really. You're going to use wins, and strikeouts per 9 as your argument...something he has no control over and something else he was working on was trying to pitch to contact and get quicker outs. I'm not saying Drabek is going to be an ace, but those aren't the arguments/stats I'd use to attest to that. Personally I love Stewart and think he's closer to Drabek in terms of prospect level than people realize.
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