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Post#441 » by RapsAndJays21 » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:53 am

Just a bad game, it happens. Twice with the bases juiced and nothing to show for it, Donaldson has been a bit shaky tonight, and of course the 1st inning debacle.
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Post#442 » by Jays4WS » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:53 am

Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.


Great we have umps and replay judges that don't even know the rules. :noway:
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Post#443 » by s e n s i » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:54 am

Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.


the play passed through two layers of umpiring and they still got it wrong. this game should currently be played under protest and because it isn't, it should be formally protested upon it's conclusion.
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Post#444 » by vaff87 » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:54 am

Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.


So these clowns don't even know the rule book?
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Post#445 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:55 am

Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.

But maybe they took into account the fact that Hanigan tagged him after the initial play? And that was what they were basing the out call on?

Either way, it seems certain the Jays got screwed there.
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Post#446 » by vaff87 » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:56 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.

But maybe they took into account the fact that Hanigan tagged him after the initial play? And that was what they were basing the out call on?

Either way, it seems certain the Jays got screwed there.


They had already called Valencia out. Ergo, play is dead.
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Post#447 » by Graham's Cracker » Fri Jul 3, 2015 1:59 am

vaff87 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:


But maybe they took into account the fact that Hanigan tagged him after the initial play? And that was what they were basing the out call on?

Either way, it seems certain the Jays got screwed there.


They had already called Valencia out. Ergo, play is dead.
That was the way I interpreted it too. Nothing is black and white though. Who knows.
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Post#448 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:01 am

vaff87 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:


But maybe they took into account the fact that Hanigan tagged him after the initial play? And that was what they were basing the out call on?

Either way, it seems certain the Jays got screwed there.


They had already called Valencia out. Ergo, play is dead.

You would assume so.
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Post#449 » by Nights King » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:23 am

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Post#450 » by Xaos » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:29 am

s e n s i wrote:
Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.


the play passed through two layers of umpiring and they still got it wrong. this game should currently be played under protest and because it isn't, it should be formally protested upon it's conclusion.


I agree.
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Post#451 » by Lateral Quicks » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:39 am

Pillar now 15 points away from batting .300.

And Reyes is awful. Such an undisciplined hitter at this point.
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Post#452 » by dballislife » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:44 am

dballislife wrote:3 of 4 a must

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Post#453 » by TOStateofMind » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:45 am

what a disappointing series
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Post#454 » by xAIRNESSx » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:45 am

Wow, after seeing how the rule is actually written, we totally got screwed over.
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Post#455 » by dagger » Fri Jul 3, 2015 2:53 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:Wow, after seeing how the rule is actually written, we totally got screwed over.


The media view is pretty unanimous now. Whether Valencia actually touched the plate is irrelevant.
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Post#456 » by kayliecee » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:28 am

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kayliecee wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:There was nothing on the replay that showed definitively Danny touched the plate, so I get not calling him safe on replay. But how do you justify an out call there instead?

This just isn't our day. :lol:


They don't have to justify an out. They can only overturn it if Valencia was clearly safe. Otherwise, they go with what the ump said.


They can call it interference on the replay though, which it clearly was.


After reading the rule, I think you're right.
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Post#457 » by BigLeagueChew » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:32 am

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Post#458 » by kayliecee » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:37 am

Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.


...unless the defensive Manager appeals the failure of the runner to touch home plate prior to the Crew Chief making contact with the Replay Official.

Maybe Farrell appealed.
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Post#459 » by kayliecee » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:56 am

Looking at the Boston feed, it's pretty clear Valencia missed home plate. And he knew it too, which is why he attempted to go back. Also, there was no interference. The catcher had the ball before he moved his foot in front of home plate.
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Post#460 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:14 am

kayliecee wrote:
Graham's Cracker wrote:Saw this posted on twitter:

MLB Rule Book Section V, Subsection F:

A runner attempts to score on a play at the plate. The catcher misses the tag on the runner, and the runner fails to touch home plate, but the umpire calls a tag and the runner "out." The offensive manager challenges the call, and the Replay Official determines that the catcher missed the tag. The Replay Official shall disregard the failure of the runner to touch home plate, declare the runner "safe" and score the run.


...unless the defensive Manager appeals the failure of the runner to touch home plate prior to the Crew Chief making contact with the Replay Official.

Maybe Farrell appealed.


[tweet]https://twitter.com/ArdenZwelling/status/616816318306586624[/tweet]

Their explanation was that the Hanigan tag after the fact was the "appeal." So yeah, they're making this up as they go along. :lol:
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