How would a Jays Fire Sale look like?

[The_Hater]

A fire sale would be dumb.

Better to retool/reload after Bautista and Encarnacion walk. Otherwise we're wasting Donaldson in his prime.

This. We have Donaldson and Tulo (he will eventually hit) in the middle of the line up and Stroman and Sanchez being our young studs. If we lose Jose and EE, we can still trade or sign someone that can take up one of thier spots and if Travis can follow thru on the promise he showed last year then we should still have a decent offense. It may not be an all world offense like it is now but how many contending teams really have that currently? If Stroman and Sanchez become an effective 1-2 punch (quite likely) then we could reload after losing EE and Jose and be a contender as soon as 2018 and for years to come.

Having a so-called fire sale doesn't stop the team from retooling for 2017. It can be a short term method of restocking the farm system and clearing some space on the payroll. I think the term fire sale is just throwing some people off here.

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A fire sale would be dumb.

Better to retool/reload after Bautista and Encarnacion walk. Otherwise we're wasting Donaldson in his prime.

This. We have Donaldson and Tulo (he will eventually hit) in the middle of the line up and Stroman and Sanchez being our young studs. If we lose Jose and EE, we can still trade or sign someone that can take up one of thier spots and if Travis can follow thru on the promise he showed last year then we should still have a decent offense. It may not be an all world offense like it is now but how many contending teams really have that currently? If Stroman and Sanchez become an effective 1-2 punch (quite likely) then we could reload after losing EE and Jose and be a contender as soon as 2018 and for years to come.

Having a so-called fire sale doesn't stop the team from retooling for 2017. It can be a short term method of restocking the farm system and clearing some space on the payroll. I think the term fire sale is just throwing some people off here.

"Fire sale" doesn't mean selling off a few pieces. It means gutting the roster and starting fresh.

[T-d0t]

Sorry to burst peoples bubbles but Donaldson would be dealt as well in a hypothetical fire sale.

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Sorry to burst peoples bubbles but Donaldson would be dealt as well in a hypothetical fire sale.

I'm not sure why that would be necessary. You can rebuild without going into a total strip down. It's not like unloading Donaldson would be a financial killer. If Bautista and Encarnacion trades brought in a few prospects, that would help replenish the farm system.

[mawbsta]

AA knew what was going to happen and took off

No. AA did not take off because of that reason. He left because he disagreed with Shapiro.

However, all of last season's trade were done because his contract was expiring and he knew Beeston was on his way out. AA knew he was likely auditioning for a new job and sold the farm in the process.

Selfish, yes.... but this city needed just that at that time. 20 years of losing finally ended.

Selfish? He was empowered to build a winner/contender - and he did that - what on earth were you expecting from the teams GM. The farm gave us Osuna, Sanchez, Hutchinson and Stroman. AA knew to hold onto enough. Condemning him is ignorant.

[The_Hater]

AA knew what was going to happen and took off

No. AA did not take off because of that reason. He left because he disagreed with Shapiro.

However, all of last season's trade were done because his contract was expiring and he knew Beeston was on his way out. AA knew he was likely auditioning for a new job and sold the farm in the process.

Selfish, yes.... but this city needed just that at that time. 20 years of losing finally ended.

Selfish? He was empowered to build a winner/contender - and he did that - what on earth were you expecting from the teams GM. The farm gave us Osuna, Sanchez, Hutchinson and Stroman. AA knew to hold onto enough. Condemning him is ignorant.

I agree. He put the strongest team in MLB together. Even if you view some of his moves as short sighted, he still achieved his goal of building a winner. But sometimes the crapshoot called the playoffs doesn't crown MLB's best team. But over the course of his final 12 months he made several outstanding baseball trades that worked in the Jays favour.

If one if going to criticize AA, look back at his moves prior to 2013 season. That's when he mortgaged the future without really helping the present.

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Selfish? He was empowered to build a winner/contender - and he did that - what on earth were you expecting from the teams GM. The farm gave us Osuna, Sanchez, Hutchinson and Stroman. AA knew to hold onto enough. Condemning him is ignorant.

He wasn't empowered to build a winner, he was rolling the dice in an effort to save his job. Why didn't he make his big push in the offseason, or the prior trade deadline wherein we were actually sitting with an even stronger mid-season record? We started last season with a comical over-reliance on rookie starters (Pompey, Norris, Sanchez, Castro, Osuna...), does that sound like someone who is just itching to "contend"? Of course not. He only became "empowered" when it became obvious that the only way he would keep his job would be to finally make the playoffs, hence all the trade-deadline fireworks, because it didn't matter otherwise.

His moves were fine, and ultimately we almost won...which was great. We didn't win however, so now we're going to be reeling on the consequences of a team built around old and expensive "star players".

[Scorpion King]

Is there a market for Tulo ?

Very frustrating to see him and Jays are better of cutting a lose if they could dump that contract.

[Yosemite Dan]

Is there a market for Tulo ?

Very frustrating to see him and Jays are better of cutting a lose if they could dump that contract.

It's hard to deal Tulo without a suitable replacement because then you are basically writing off the next few years unless you are sure Travis can come back at 2nd base and then shift Goins to SS. Sure Goins is a liability offensively and has regressed after showing promise last year but you;re not getting much with Tulo offensively anyways except for a power surge here and there. Not nearly enough to justify that salary though. I still think Tulo will bounce back but it seems more and more everyday that last fall was not an anomaly. And then you have to factor in his durability issues because it's probably only a matter of time before he does a DL stint.We face the same dilemma with Martin who should be the first big item to go because I don't think he's gonna bounce back. Many years of catching may have taken a toll on him but there is not anybody ready to replace him.