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Fairview4Life wrote:I also don’t think Shatkins have done a terrible job. The Jays rebuilt quickly after 2016 and have been winning at a pretty decent pace. I think they could have done a better job, and previously I would have said “when hiring managers” but now I guess it’s more “when hiring managers and then they should not give them specific and immutable instructions for how to manage every game”. But Atkins in particular needs to go after that nonsense, and I’d also dump Schneider for just being bad even if it was in the service of following orders. These are not irreplaceable cogs in the machine.

Raps in 4 wrote:

C Court wrote:

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
You, and most of the speculative fans here, have pretty much 0 evidence of such accusations of blaming 1 person.

Until or when the truth comes out, let’s see what the organization does in the off-season in terms of improving this ugly offense. They obviously need fine tuning of their analytics and the conclusions they are coming up with to warrant that change.

It seems that both Schneider and Atkins are back next year so I hope both improve in all aspects. We are not in control so why be negative. lol

I am not blaming one guy. I am just rightly pointing out that Atkins likely lied yesterday.

He essentially said he had no idea that Schneider was going to pull Berrios and pitch Kikuchi and he said it was Schneider’s decision. Yet Schneider said it was an organizational decision. So someone isn’t telling the truth.

As well, the reporters who follow the team daily (including pro-front office Wilner) don’t believe Atkins’version.

The comment that we are not in control so why be negative is condescending and silly. As a Jays fan since 1977, a buyer of Jays tickets, a subscriber to Rogers cable and phone services, I have a right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me. If it’s negative, so what? You have no control over my opinion. Why do you care? Why waste your time posting here? LOL

Bo and Whit also said it was an organizational decision. Pretty much everyone except Atkins said it was an organizational decision.

Randle McMurphy wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:

C Court wrote:
I am not blaming one guy. I am just rightly pointing out that Atkins likely lied yesterday.

He essentially said he had no idea that Schneider was going to pull Berrios and pitch Kikuchi and he said it was Schneider’s decision. Yet Schneider said it was an organizational decision. So someone isn’t telling the truth.

As well, the reporters who follow the team daily (including pro-front office Wilner) don’t believe Atkins’version.

The comment that we are not in control so why be negative is condescending and silly. As a Jays fan since 1977, a buyer of Jays tickets, a subscriber to Rogers cable and phone services, I have a right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me. If it’s negative, so what? You have no control over my opinion. Why do you care? Why waste your time posting here? LOL

Bo and Whit also said it was an organizational decision. Pretty much everyone except Atkins said it was an organizational decision.

They've also done literally the same move before in a playoff game with a different manager who revealed it was an organizational plan at the time. It's not really a mystery what went on in game 2.

SharoneWright wrote:

Randle McMurphy wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:
Bo and Whit also said it was an organizational decision. Pretty much everyone except Atkins said it was an organizational decision.

They've also done literally the same move before in a playoff game with a different manager who revealed it was an organizational plan at the time. It's not really a mystery what went on in game 2.

They literally hired Montoyo due to his comfort with/reliance on analytics. IE. He would follow the geeks.

C Court wrote:

Randle McMurphy wrote:

Read on Twitter

Wilner calls what Atkins did today an embarrassment and failure.

I am no fan of Wilner, but his podcast is the best commentary on Atkins’ colossal fail. Mike doesn’t hold back.

C Court wrote:

Randle McMurphy wrote:

Read on Twitter

Wilner calls what Atkins did today an embarrassment and failure.

I am no fan of Wilner, but his podcast is the best commentary on Atkins’ colossal fail. Mike doesn’t hold back.

Mehar wrote:

C Court wrote:

Randle McMurphy wrote:

Read on Twitter

Wilner calls what Atkins did today an embarrassment and failure.

I am no fan of Wilner, but his podcast is the best commentary on Atkins’ colossal fail. Mike doesn’t hold back.

I have not paid attention to Mike Shillner and his podcasts, since he has been the ultimate company man and Blue Jays Shill for twenty years on the Fan 590. However, I listened to his Podcast and it was surprising how even he was so livid and tore into Ross Atkins. Shillner said he believed Atkins should not be back. Something is definitely happening behind the scenes where all the Blue Jays apologists are ganging up on Atkins. Maybe the top people at Rogers gave all these Blue Jays homers in the media the Green Light to chew out Atkins. If Atkins does not get fired this off-season, I believe that if the Jays are mediocre in the first month or two of 2024- I expect him to be canned by then. No way he survives this embarrassment long-term. I have never seen a GM throw his Manager under the bus like Atkins. An absolute disgrace to witness where Atkins passes the blame on to another man, for his own organizational incompetence.

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:

C Court wrote:

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
You, and most of the speculative fans here, have pretty much 0 evidence of such accusations of blaming 1 person.

Until or when the truth comes out, let’s see what the organization does in the off-season in terms of improving this ugly offense. They obviously need fine tuning of their analytics and the conclusions they are coming up with to warrant that change.

It seems that both Schneider and Atkins are back next year so I hope both improve in all aspects. We are not in control so why be negative. lol

I am not blaming one guy. I am just rightly pointing out that Atkins likely lied yesterday.

He essentially said he had no idea that Schneider was going to pull Berrios and pitch Kikuchi and he said it was Schneider’s decision. Yet Schneider said it was an organizational decision. So someone isn’t telling the truth.

As well, the reporters who follow the team daily (including pro-front office Wilner) don’t believe Atkins’version.

The comment that we are not in control so why be negative is condescending and silly. As a Jays fan since 1977, a buyer of Jays tickets, a subscriber to Rogers cable and phone services, I have a right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me. If it’s negative, so what? You have no control over my opinion. Why do you care? Why waste your time posting here? LOL

“I have the right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me”

“You have no control over my opinion, why do you care”

Okay old man yelling at cloud.

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:

C Court wrote:

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
You, and most of the speculative fans here, have pretty much 0 evidence of such accusations of blaming 1 person.

Until or when the truth comes out, let’s see what the organization does in the off-season in terms of improving this ugly offense. They obviously need fine tuning of their analytics and the conclusions they are coming up with to warrant that change.

It seems that both Schneider and Atkins are back next year so I hope both improve in all aspects. We are not in control so why be negative. lol

I am not blaming one guy. I am just rightly pointing out that Atkins likely lied yesterday.

He essentially said he had no idea that Schneider was going to pull Berrios and pitch Kikuchi and he said it was Schneider’s decision. Yet Schneider said it was an organizational decision. So someone isn’t telling the truth.

As well, the reporters who follow the team daily (including pro-front office Wilner) don’t believe Atkins’version.

The comment that we are not in control so why be negative is condescending and silly. As a Jays fan since 1977, a buyer of Jays tickets, a subscriber to Rogers cable and phone services, I have a right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me. If it’s negative, so what? You have no control over my opinion. Why do you care? Why waste your time posting here? LOL

“I have the right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me”

“You have no control over my opinion, why do you care”

Okay old man yelling at cloud.

Raps in 4 wrote:Oh no, the Mets are interested in Click. I guess we're stuck with Atkins forever.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2023/10/08/major-league-baseball-managers-grossly-underpaid/71106218007/

WaltFrazier wrote:

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:

C Court wrote:
I am not blaming one guy. I am just rightly pointing out that Atkins likely lied yesterday.

He essentially said he had no idea that Schneider was going to pull Berrios and pitch Kikuchi and he said it was Schneider’s decision. Yet Schneider said it was an organizational decision. So someone isn’t telling the truth.

As well, the reporters who follow the team daily (including pro-front office Wilner) don’t believe Atkins’version.

The comment that we are not in control so why be negative is condescending and silly. As a Jays fan since 1977, a buyer of Jays tickets, a subscriber to Rogers cable and phone services, I have a right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me. If it’s negative, so what? You have no control over my opinion. Why do you care? Why waste your time posting here? LOL

“I have the right to an opinion regarding the products they sell me”

“You have no control over my opinion, why do you care”

Okay old man yelling at cloud.

Your take on this, defending Atkins, has been repudiated by virtually every Jays media writer/reporter and every other poster here. Who's the one yelling at clouds?

JN wrote:I even saw a teeet from Hazel Mae yesterday going hard at Atkins. I don’t follow her or know her Twitter tendencies but it seemed quite surprising to me.

Kurtz wrote:

Mehar wrote:

C Court wrote:
I am no fan of Wilner, but his podcast is the best commentary on Atkins’ colossal fail. Mike doesn’t hold back.

I have not paid attention to Mike Shillner and his podcasts, since he has been the ultimate company man and Blue Jays Shill for twenty years on the Fan 590. However, I listened to his Podcast and it was surprising how even he was so livid and tore into Ross Atkins. Shillner said he believed Atkins should not be back. Something is definitely happening behind the scenes where all the Blue Jays apologists are ganging up on Atkins. Maybe the top people at Rogers gave all these Blue Jays homers in the media the Green Light to chew out Atkins. If Atkins does not get fired this off-season, I believe that if the Jays are mediocre in the first month or two of 2024- I expect him to be canned by then. No way he survives this embarrassment long-term. I have never seen a GM throw his Manager under the bus like Atkins. An absolute disgrace to witness where Atkins passes the blame on to another man, for his own organizational incompetence.

You may be on to something with the media. And we have Click sitting there ready to go. His resume would be an easy sell to the fanbase.

Fairview4Life wrote:Toronto media’s job isn’t to create controversy. In fact a lot of them are paid by the people who own the Blue Jays and are much more incentivized to say everything is going great.