Official 2012 Offseason Thread

[eathb_au]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_20 ... -offseason

"I know there are a lot of people out there getting tired of me, but, you know, that's part of being in a city for eight years. I've lost a lot of games, but people need to remember that I've won a lot of games too."

It's stuff like that about Karl that bothers me and why I think we will never go deep in the playoffs with him as coach. He seems content with just making the playoffs and winning 50 games when the goal should be higher.

[youngthegiant]

What do you guys think of this. We take arnett moultrie at #20 and then trade Mozgov, #38, and #50 for a late 1st and take Marquis Teague.

Ty Lawson/Marquis Teague/ Julyan Stone
Arron Afflalo/Jordan Hamilton/Corey Brewer
Danilo Gallinari/Wilson Chandler
Kenneth Faried/Al Harrington/Wilson Chandler
Javale Mcgee/Arnett Moultrie/Kosta Koufos

[The Rebel]

I think you you have spent some good tradable assets to then have 2 rookies with a coach that barely plays rookies, and still have not even be starting to touch the Nuggets biggest need of a guy who can spread the floor.

[Grape God]

I like it, but I dont think Moultrie falls to #20. I don't know a whole lot about teague. Can he shoot?

Im really high on Nicholson. He has a high quick release and a soft touch. I know he isnt too athletic, but he could be the mid-range shooting big the nuggets need to space the floor. Of course he would have to outplay Big Al to get minutes.

Honestly, I would try and trade chandler to houston for #16 to take Kendall Marshall. Then Nicholson or Moultrie if he falls all the way to #20

[scottcarman]

Here is my take on what the Nugs should do and I don't think anyone is untouchable for an elite player:

Trade the #20 for future first round pick (maybe to Minnesota)

Lawson - Probably keep him. Looks like we should have cap room to extend him long term.
Dre Miller - Nuggets probably let him go, but may be needed in a S & T, Possibly get a 2nd round pick.
AAA - contract neutral, guessing he is here for long term unless he is needed as filler in trade.
Rudy Fernandez - probably goes back to europe. Don't mind having him for right price.
JHam - Hope he steps into backup SG role, could be used as offensive spark from bench, upside definitely worth the cost.
Brewer - I like him a lot and would like to extend him for a reasonable price if possible. Needs to understand that he is only there for defense and 3 pt shooting. Can he turn into Bruce Bowen type player.
Chandler/Gallo - are redundant so we need to trade one. I'm ok with trading either, but Gallo obviously would need to bring back more value. I can see using Gallo as one of the main pieces to get an exceptional player and then have Chandler start in his stead.
Harrington - send to lakers for TPE
Birdman - Possible his contract will become void. Trade if anyone wants him.
Faried - Obviously, young and cheap, concerned about his BBIQ on defense, but his upside is huge and he is very cheap. May be the Nuggets most valuable bargaining cheap considering production vs contract.
Koufos - love that he will be either our backup center or starting center for 3 mil. Great value contract.
Mozgov - similar to koufos but doesn't have the extension. Mozgov is a prime candidate to be included in trades as a building block, contract filler. Alot of teams covet young, unproven, 7 ft'rs.
McGee - Prefer S & T, we already are hoping that Lawson, Gallo, Chandler, Faried are able to take the next step and we simply have too many development player.

[pickIBL]

The more I hear from Sullinger the more I am starting to get onboard with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlNZjBCl8U (interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlNZjBCl8U

If we can trade up into the teens and get him... well I am starting to feel good about him. I had the Faried pick last year and I am very pleased with how that turned out. Sullinger appears to be a student of the game with a serious axe to grind with how he is being (under) valued in this draft. He is ready to play now too which I like. He is being compared to scrubs and he thinks he can be the next Brand or Love. I think the FO should at least look into it.

[eathb_au]

I'm intrigued in Nicholson and Jones. I hope one of them is available.

[Grape God]

The more I hear from Sullinger the more I am starting to get onboard with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlNZjBCl8U (interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlNZjBCl8U

If we can trade up into the teens and get him... well I am starting to feel good about him. I had the Faried pick last year and I am very pleased with how that turned out. Sullinger appears to be a student o the game with a serious axe to grind with how he is being (under) valued in this draft. He is ready to play now too which I like. He is being compared to scrubs and he thinks he can be the next Brand or Love. I think the FO should at least look into it.

I would be very happy if Sullinger fell to the nuggets. He actually measured well. hehas a few pounds to lose, but the Hess will take care of that.

[Grape God]

Looking at the situation in Dallas, they need to dump some salary. What do you guys think of taking on Odom and Carter for the #17. Haywood and Marion could probably be dumped with little incentive. They could also use their Amnesty on one of Haywood or Marion, whichever they can't trade.

On draft day we could send them a top-55 protected pick and the Nene TPE for Odom, Carter, #17 with cash. Then buy both out. No idea who will be there but I trust Masai+Josh to get the best players at any particular spot in the draft. They really are that good.

Lawson//Teague#17//Stone
AAA//Hamilton//Jenkins#38
Gallo//Chandler//P.Jones#20
Faried//Harrington//Andersen*
McGee//Kosta//Moz

*if not amnestyed.

[The Rebel]

Looking at the situation in Dallas, they need to dump some salary. What do you guys think of taking on Odom and Carter for the #17. Haywood and Marion could probably be dumped with little incentive. They could also use their Amnesty on one of Haywood or Marion, whichever they can't trade.

On draft day we could send them a top-55 protected pick and the Nene TPE for Odom, Carter, #17 with cash. Then buy both out. No idea who will be there but I trust Masai+Josh to get the best players at any particular spot in the draft. They really are that good.

Lawson//Teague#17//Stone
AAA//Hamilton//Jenkins#38
Gallo//Chandler//P.Jones#20
Faried//Harrington//Andersen*
McGee//Kosta//Moz

*if not amnestyed.

both Odom and Carter are only guaranteed about $4.4 million, I doubt the Mavs are willing to give up the 17 to dump either one of them. Besides that I can see Carter having enough value to get some team to take him for nothing or a 2nd round pick, 2 many teams needing real help at the 2 out there.

The real problem for the Mavs is going to be getting pure cap space for haywood or Marion. haywood is making over $27 million for the next 3 years, which for a 21 mpg guy who only puts up 5 and 6, he makes about double what he is worth, and no team is going to give up pure cap space to pay him. Marion could have a little value, he is a solid 4th guy/ defensive specialist that a lot of teams seem to need at the 3/4. His contract is what hurts his value, but how bad is yet to be determined in the market under the new CBA.

[youngthegiant]

Denver Trades: Chris Anderson, #50, #38

Golden State Trades: Andris Biedrins, #30, #35

Would you guys do this??????

Our tpe should handle biedrins salary. Not too shabby we would have picks #20,30,35. We could package those together to get two higher picks, like trading #20 and #35 to dallas for #17 and then moving #30 and mozgov to atlanta for #23.

[The Rebel]

Denver Trades: Chris Anderson, #50, #38

Golden State Trades: Andris Biedrins, #30, #35

Would you guys do this??????

Our tpe should handle biedrins salary. Not too shabby we would have picks #20,30,35. We could package those together to get two higher picks, like trading #20 and #35 to dallas for #17 and then moving #30 and mozgov to atlanta for #23.

Hell no, Beidrins is one of the worst contracts in the league, the guy makes $9 million a year to put up 2 and 4, and is still under contract for 2 more years.

to even consider taking Beidrens for a deal like you have listed, I would insist on a swap of the 20th for the 7th and they can keep the 35th overall pick.

Leaving the Nuggets with the 7th overall and the 30th overall, but I doubt Kroenke does it, as that is a ton of wasted money to add to the payroll for 2 years.

[Grape God]

Looking at the situation in Dallas, they need to dump some salary. What do you guys think of taking on Odom and Carter for the #17. Haywood and Marion could probably be dumped with little incentive. They could also use their Amnesty on one of Haywood or Marion, whichever they can't trade.

On draft day we could send them a top-55 protected pick and the Nene TPE for Odom, Carter, #17 with cash. Then buy both out. No idea who will be there but I trust Masai+Josh to get the best players at any particular spot in the draft. They really are that good.

Lawson//Teague#17//Stone
AAA//Hamilton//Jenkins#38
Gallo//Chandler//P.Jones#20
Faried//Harrington//Andersen*
McGee//Kosta//Moz

*if not amnestyed.

both Odom and Carter are only guaranteed about $4.4 million, I doubt the Mavs are willing to give up the 17 to dump either one of them. Besides that I can see Carter having enough value to get some team to take him for nothing or a nd round pick, 2 rmany teams needing real help at the 2 out there.

The real problem for the Mavs is going to be getting pure cap space for haywood or Marion. haywood is making over $27 million for the next 3 years, which for a 21 mpg guy who only puts up 5 and 6, he makes about double what he is worth, and no team is going to give up pure cap space to pay him. Marion could have a little value, he is a solid 4th guy/ defensive specialist that a lot of teams seem to need at the 3/4. His contract is what hurts his value, but how bad is yet to be determined in the market under the new CBA.

4.4 million is a lot of money for the Mavs. They are trying to sign DeonWilliams. So is every other team with cap room. Last year the Mavericks used their 1st to get Fernandez, then used Fernandez to dump the 2yr/6mil contract of Cbrew. Not unheard of to dump a few small salaries for a 1st.this year the prices go up, because, who is going to do it?

Haywood has a stretch provision, teams might be interested in that like the wiretap said. If not they can amnesty. Marion would be a good fit on the Raptors. I could see them striking out on options 1-4 and then just trading for Marion.they have Brendan Wright to package with Haywood. Wright is like a prime birdman, so he has some value too.

[youngthegiant]

How do you guys feel about anthony randolph? We have done a pretty good job of developing players here, any chance he can get it right in denver. The guy is still only 22 and has had some nice games when he plays 20+ minutes. Also he is a pretty good running big. This way we can focus on moving up and grab someone like waiters or rivers.

[The Rebel]

How do you guys feel about anthony randolph? We have done a pretty good job of developing players here, any chance he can get it right in denver. The guy is still only 22 and has had some nice games when he plays 20+ minutes. Also he is a pretty good running big. This way we can focus on moving up and grab someone like waiters or rivers.

3 teams, 5 coaches, 4 years and still gets DNP on half of the games he is available should tell you something about him. Question everybody seems to skip with him is whether he does so well because he gets those extra minutes, or is he getting those extra minutes because he is playing so well? Add in he lost his minutes to Mozgov of all players while in New York and I have a hard time thinking he is worth pursuing at this point. The guy has plenty of talent but does not seem to get it for whatever reason. I think I would pass on the guy for anything more then LLE type money, and even then I would not count on him to fill any real holes on the roster.