Wilson Chandlers future?

[Laowai]

I see Chandler as a Raptor next year and agree on the Denver team he would be a back=up but a starter at SF for the Raptors. I see Toronto trading 8th to Houston for 14th and 16th. Then Trading 14th, 56th and Amir Johnson to Denver for Chandler & 20th.

Denver moves up 6 positions and gets a good back-up SF & C which is good protection because of Birdman uncertain circumstances.

The last thing the Nuggets need is another backup center, especially one that is overpaid. Also Chandler is worth the 14th or so in a trade alone, no reason the Nuggets should be throwing in the 20th overall.

That wouldn't happen Chandler isn't worth 14 alone!
Could be revised Chandler, Mozgov &20th for 14th and Johnson or Chandler & 20th for Bayless & 14th.

[youngthegiant]

There is no way denver moves Wilson chandler and Mozgov just to move up 6 spots.

[The Rebel]

I see Chandler as a Raptor next year and agree on the Denver team he would be a back=up but a starter at SF for the Raptors. I see Toronto trading 8th to Houston for 14th and 16th. Then Trading 14th, 56th and Amir Johnson to Denver for Chandler & 20th.

Denver moves up 6 positions and gets a good back-up SF & C which is good protection because of Birdman uncertain circumstances.

The last thing the Nuggets need is another backup center, especially one that is overpaid. Also Chandler is worth the 14th or so in a trade alone, no reason the Nuggets should be throwing in the 20th overall.

That wouldn't happen Chandler isn't worth 14 alone!
Could be revised Chandler, Mozgov &20th for 14th and Johnson or Chandler & 20th for Bayless & 14th.

You like many other raptors need some time looking at previous trades so that you can figure out what draft picks really bring back, because it is obvious from your post you have no idea. Last year the 15th overall pick was traded for George Hill, a 12 ppg backup guard. In 2010 the 16th pick brought back an injured Martel Webster. In 2009 the 5th overall pick brought back Randy Foye and Mike Miller. In 2008 the 17th pick brought back an injured declining Jermaine O'Neal. In 2007 the 8th overall pick brought back JRich who had a bad year after suffering a knee injury that he has never been the same since, In 06 the the 8th pick brought back a prime Shane Battier, and the list goes on.

So which of those trades show that Wilson chandler is not worth the 14th overall pick? It seems like some people expect an all star to be traded straight up for a mid-late Lotto pick, and a proven young starter on a good contract to be traded for a mid 1st rounder. yet that has shown to be false, teams don't trade proven young starters for mid 1st rounders, they trade them for mid lotto picks or better. Young unproven players with perceived potential to start or declining older players are what mid 1st round picks get you. guys exactly like Wilson Chandler bring back picks between 12-18.

And before you even start with the falacy about how great this draft is, please tell me the last time 5 teams with top 10 picks were rumored to be shopping those picks to move down if not totally out of the draft? I cannot remember one time half of the top 10 picks were available off the top of my head. That does not indicate that the guys paid to make decisions for their teams actually think the prospects and their upside is worth as much as what they can get for the picks.

[Laowai]

A number of options
Chandler is a good player but won't be a starter in Denver.
Agreed he can and likely will put up 14 & 5 with decent defense.
Toronto's problem is that they don't want to burn cap space on him alone by trading 14th.
They have 1 primary need a SF
Denver needs a back-up PG so add Bayless & 14th & 37th for Chandler & 20th.

[Grape God]

A number of options
Chandler is a good player but won't be a starter in Denver.
Agreed he can and likely will put up 14 & 5 with decent defense.
Toronto's problem is that they don't want to burn cap space on him alone by trading 14th.
They have 1 primary need a SF
Denver needs a back-up PG so add Bayless & 14th & 37th for Chandler & 20th.

True, but those options actually have to be beneficial to the Nuggets. I would not include #20 in those discussions. That said I don't especially mind the Bayless, 14, 37 for Chandler, 20. Both GSW's and TOR's 2nds would belong to us and combined with our own + cash would probably return a pick after 25. I think it would be more realistic for Denver to keep our own 1st, then find a later 1st (with the value of #37,#38,#50+cash combined) and convey that pick to Toronto. In that situation Denver would take #16 instead of #14. Overall, something simple like Calderon+#16 for Chandler is the most realistic option.

[Laowai]

A number of options
Chandler is a good player but won't be a starter in Denver.
Agreed he can and likely will put up 14 & 5 with decent defense.
Toronto's problem is that they don't want to burn cap space on him alone by trading 14th.
They have 1 primary need a SF
Denver needs a back-up PG so add Bayless & 14th & 37th for Chandler & 20th.

True, but those options actually have to be beneficial to the Nuggets. I would not include #20 in those discussions. That said I don't especially mind the Bayless, 14, 37 for Chandler, 20. Both GSW's and TOR's 2nds would belong to us and combined with our own + cash would probably return a pick after 25. I think it would be more realistic for Denver to keep our own 1st, then find a later 1st (with the value of #37,#38,#50+cash combined) and convey that pick to Toronto. In that situation Denver would take #16 instead of #14. Overall, something simple like Calderon+#16 for Chandler is the most realistic option.

Toronto would do that in a flash.
Denver does pick up his salary but he is expiring and would be a good back-up to Ty.
It gives Toronto more cap room to go after Dragic, Lin or Nash.

[Grape God]

A number of options
Chandler is a good player but won't be a starter in Denver.
Agreed he can and likely will put up 14 & 5 with decent defense.
Toronto's problem is that they don't want to burn cap space on him alone by trading 14th.
They have 1 primary need a SF
Denver needs a back-up PG so add Bayless & 14th & 37th for Chandler & 20th.

True, but those options actually have to be beneficial to the Nuggets. I would not include #20 in those discussions. That said I don't especially mind the Bayless, 14, 37 for Chandler, 20. Both GSW's and TOR's 2nds would belong to us and combined with our own + cash would probably return a pick after 25. I think it would be more realistic for Denver to keep our own 1st, then find a later 1st (with the value of #37,#38,#50+cash combined) and convey that pick to Toronto. In that situation Denver would take #16 instead of #14. Overall, something simple like Calderon+#16 for Chandler is the most realistic option.

Toronto would do that in a flash.
Denver does pick up his salary but he is expiring and would be a good back-up to Ty.
It gives Toronto more cap room to go after Dragic, Lin or Nash.

Hmm, I forgot about his salary I thought he was around 7m, but it looks more like 9.7 and I think he has a trade kicker too. I'd want #14 and the 2nd +Calderon. Giving Toronto Chandler, [room for] Nash, and #16 to play with. It gives Denver a passable backup PG (Not as good as dre, though he can shoot) as well as #14, #20, #37, #38, #50 to play with.

At #14 I would be happy with Moultrie and Marshall in particular. At#20 I like Nicholson, Harkless, P.Jones or T.Jones if they slip. So. Many. Options!!!

Lawson/ Calderon/Machaco#50
AAA/Hamilton/Barton#37/ Fournier#38
Gallo/ Brewer/ Harkless#20
Faried/Harrington/Moultrie#14
McGee/ Koufos/Mozgov

Nash/FA
DeRozan/Rivers#16
Chandler/Johnson
Bargnani/Davis
Big Val/Amil


Calderon+14+38 for Chandler. Bam, perfect deal

[Laowai]

Would give you Jose, Davis 14th & 56th
Chandler & 20th

[The Rebel]

Would give you Jose, Davis 14th & 56th
Chandler & 20th

I do not see the benefit in that for the Nuggets.

I would possibly do it if you changes the 20 for the Nuggets 2nd round picks, but even then I don't know with all the money being paid to Calderon, as $10.5 million is way to much to pay for a backup pg.

[eathb_au]

I must be missing something, how do they have 14?

[m1kenoff]

eath, you are right we do not have a 14

I assume Lao was talking hypothetically, considering rumours around HOU trading 14 and 16 to us for 8. That deal is not going through as far as I understand from the latest news. I made a thread about something similar, to which a denver fan responded in the Toronto thread. Check it out!


Rebel, I would do that trade without any of denvers picks. Jose Davis and 56th for Chandler. What do you say?

Would you be willing to part with Koufos/ Mosgov if we included the 37th instead?

[patrol345]

if we arent getting the 14th pick for chandler straight up I would rather just hang on to him, its not like the talent is a hugh drop off from 14 to 20, maybe for the 16th straight up or take back some salary for both the picks. No need to move him just to move up 4 or 6 spots. he can play the 3 and 4 for us off the bench next year if all we are getting is to move up 4 spots just keep him.

[The Rebel]

eath, you are right we do not have a 14

I assume Lao was talking hypothetically, considering rumours around HOU trading 14 and 16 to us for 8. That deal is not going through as far as I understand from the latest news. I made a thread about something similar, to which a denver fan responded in the Toronto thread. Check it out!


Rebel, I would do that trade without any of denvers picks. Jose Davis and 56th for Chandler. What do you say?

Would you be willing to part with Koufos/ Mosgov if we included the 37th instead?

Yes it was a hypothetical about the deal.

as for your offer, I think you misunderstood what I said, I said I would not put the 20th pick in the deal as it was structured, why would I do the same deal without the mid 1st coming to denver?

[dk1115]

Cool, now David Lee and Wilson Chandler can talk about that time WC almost killed DL with a fatal bite.

[The Rebel]

Cool, now David Lee and Wilson Chandler can talk about that time WC almost killed DL with a fatal bite.

Let's see if it gets done, and what the whole deal looks like, but there are plenty that should be eating crow if Chandler brings back the 7.