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Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:56 am
by DelAbbot
Roy T wrote:I thought Ohtani is the second coming of Babe Ruth?
LOL, Ohtani is way better than Babe Ruth
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:07 am
by Cactus Jack
HurricaneDij25 wrote:Mariners farm system is stacked… Would be interesting there.
Ownership is too cheap to give out that kind of deal. Plus developing players, rather than paying one guy is a far more sound strategy in Baseball.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:36 am
by cgf
Big J wrote:Who?
Some cricketer.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:11 am
by Egg Nog
As a non-baseball fan, explain this to me...
1) The influence of any single player is sufficiently low that you could have a team with the two best players in the entire sport and not even make the playoffs
and yet
2) One player would plausibly get a 600 million dollar contract
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:31 am
by dk1115
I mean, this dude is like the new age Barry bonds when it comes to plate discipline
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:52 am
by C3H6N6O6
second and third tiers NBA stars should consider themselves lucky that there is a limit to max contracts in the NBA otherwise they wouldn't making the money they are making. Top tier superstars would be eating away most of the money.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:04 am
by Higgs Boston
As a non baseball fan I always felt like it only makes sense to pay a lot for pitchers.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:17 am
by NotAKnicksFan
BoatsNZones wrote:And now he's definitely getting traded this season and will get a haul for them, which is also interesting. He's not having a particularly great year either.
Seeing a league without salary cap or limits on seasons owned has always been interesting. A true open market.
Granted, the two best players in baseball play on the same team (one as an elite pitcher/hitter) and they still have no chance of making the playoffs.
Trout and ohanti are def not the two best players in baseball
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:43 am
by BK_2020
Egg Nog wrote:As a non-baseball fan, explain this to me...
1) The influence of any single player is sufficiently low that you could have a team with the two best players in the entire sport and not even make the playoffs
and yet
2) One player would plausibly get a 600 million dollar contract
It's a 15 year contract. Think of it as 3 supermaxes combined, which would easily exceed a billion.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:45 am
by BK_2020
NotAKnicksFan wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:And now he's definitely getting traded this season and will get a haul for them, which is also interesting. He's not having a particularly great year either.
Seeing a league without salary cap or limits on seasons owned has always been interesting. A true open market.
Granted, the two best players in baseball play on the same team (one as an elite pitcher/hitter) and they still have no chance of making the playoffs.
Trout and ohanti are def not the two best players in baseball
Trout definitely was the best player of the 2010s.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:02 am
by Bankai
Baseball has already proven constantly that you can still play "money ball" and still have a Championship Caliber Team. Lets be honest, Baseball is one of the few sports where "Stars" dont create as much impact as any other good player. The gap isint wide. At least in Basketball, we know that Stars actually matter on the Court, and does influence the game heavily.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:31 am
by jokeboy86
One can only dream but can you imagine what the contracts would be for the biggest NBA stars with no salary cap limits? Especially in the NBA where one player can change the entire fortunes of a team both on the court and also off the court economically. You would imagine guys like Lebron or Curry would get Ronaldo/Messi type contracts.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:38 am
by dirkdiggler4177
I don't get the big deal. It is what Kevin Durant is making from 2016 til 2026, just that this guy's contract is over 15 years, not 10 like Durant
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:42 am
by dirkdiggler4177
C3H6N6O6 wrote:second and third tiers NBA stars should consider themselves lucky that there is a limit to max contracts in the NBA otherwise they wouldn't making the money they are making. Top tier superstars would be eating away most of the money.
They would sign with teams that would pay up. So if the Lakers would not pay because of LeBron's salary, they would just leave for another team like Dallas who would pay. Today they can only sign where there is cap space.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:44 am
by UcanUwill
Had no idea MLB is that popular to hand out these contracts. Wow, ok.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:16 pm
by wco81
Soto already had a huge playoffs or WS to lead the Nationals to a WS title.
A batter getting hot in a crucial series can carry the team though it’s true a dominant pitcher also getting hot could have a huge impact.
Given his age and the numbers he’s already put up, someone will pay him.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:26 pm
by NotAKnicksFan
BK_2020 wrote:NotAKnicksFan wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:And now he's definitely getting traded this season and will get a haul for them, which is also interesting. He's not having a particularly great year either.
Seeing a league without salary cap or limits on seasons owned has always been interesting. A true open market.
Granted, the two best players in baseball play on the same team (one as an elite pitcher/hitter) and they still have no chance of making the playoffs.
Trout and ohanti are def not the two best players in baseball
Trout definitely was the best player of the 2010s.
True, but not anymore
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:47 pm
by Mike87
I was surprised he turned it down at first but looking more into it he'll definitely be able to make more on a per year basis. Also probably wants an opt out after like 7 years in order to sign another massive deal in his early 30's.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:27 pm
by Infinite Llamas
JDR720 wrote:I will never understand why MLB teams give these contracts.
Has it ever worked? The impact of star players in baseball isn't that much higher than "normal" all-star level players or even solid starters.
The Angels have Mike Trout and Ohtani (who is insane) and they're still average as can be. And have been for a decade, they had Trout and Pujols for a while too and still sucked.
Look at the Braves. They let Freeman leave, signed a cheaper replacement (Olson) and Acuna has missed half the season (highest paid player), Mike Soroka has missed the whole season (best pitcher) and Albies has been out for a while... and they have been better than they did last season. They won 13? Games in a row recently.
For an even more extreme example, look at the Orioles. They have around a 30m dollar payroll TOTAL and are in the playoff hunt. The Mariners too, they've won 13 in a row.
Atlanta gets huge production out of guys like Austin Riley, Swanson, Kyle Wright, Max Fried…these guys are all on small deals as well. Even Acuna is underpaid for his production. The idea of replacing guys that are about to get paid for lesser talent can be effective, but if the Braves want to keep their core intact, it’s going to really expensive somewhere down the line.
Re: OT: Juan Soto turns down $440M Contract
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:30 pm
by twozeroMM
HurricaneDij25 wrote:These teams need to start refusing to trade their star players to the Dodgers.
Mariners farm system is stacked… Would be interesting there.
I'm not the biggest baseball watcher, but I do notice every season or every season the Dodgers trade for top players or rent them for a year. How are they able to do this, like where do they continue to get the assets?