2012 Draft (Pt. III)

[Jodi]

And you talk down Knight's stats, 13 pts, 4 asts, and 3 rebs in the NBA, but the guy currently rated #2 in this draft only avg 12 pts, 7 rebs, and 2 asts on 25% 3FG in college.

In college last year, Knight avg 17 pts, 4 asts, and 4 rebs.

Get em' Flip!!! @Scout Taron: Words of advice, don't hate on my boy Knight in Pistons threads...

[bkseven]

[/quote] You do realize that Knight was never actually a legitimate option at #3 right? There was some speculation by the media, but everyone recognized it as a reach. After that, the next team that would have taken him was the Raptors at 5. But they were trying to trade out of the spot (as Dumars said he was in talks with them right before Thompson), so they obviously didn't value Knight (a player at a position of need) as worth the fifth pick.

In reality, Knight was around the eighth ranked prospect in that draft and had a chance to go higher because he was the #1 PG. Getting him at 8 wasn't a huge steal like Pistons fans like to pretend it was.[/quote]

If he was an 8th ranked prospect, then why was is such a huge surprise that he was available at 8. Please dude, practically EVERYONE speculated Knight to be gone by at least the 5th pick. Maybe you just got memory loss. If he stayed in college, his draft position in the 2012 draft would depend heavily on how he performed in the 2011-2012 college season. So it is not crazy to think that he would be ranked between 4 and 8.

[bkseven]

WTF. You guys are crazy. There is no way that Brandon Knight goes top five in this draft. Let alone two.

We get it. You hate Brandon knight. Good for you. But you're coming off foolish with your blatant disregard for the topic at hand. Knight would not have been in the NBA last year. Therefore your stat argument makes no sense. Replace Teague with Knight. Is MKG the team leader still? Strongly doubt it. MKG is a role player who is getting mention in the top 5 because he led a young team to a championship. He's not a superstar. Knight showed elite quickness in college and most likely his sophomore year he would be even better. Now take off those pessimism glasses and try and understand the topic instead of trying to get your "I hate Knight" agenda in every single discussion.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves

[FlipTSO]

^thats pretty accurate, tbh. A SF who avg 12 pts on 25% 3FG doesn't sound like a future All-Star. I think he's a guy who just has a knack for knowing how to win, and thus will be a great role player, but likely never have the stats to be an AS or the go-to scoring ability to be a #1 option.

[bkseven]

^thats pretty accurate, tbh. A SF who avg 12 pts on 25% 3FG doesn't sound like a future All-Star. I think he's a guy who just has a knack for knowing how to win, and thus will be a great role player, but likely never have the stats to be an AS or the go-to scoring ability to be a #1 option.

College stats don't translate bro. Knowing how to win and having a motor translates.

[FlipTSO]

Apparently OKC is trying to trade out of the draft or sell their pick, or if they do keep #28 they will draft and stash a Euro. Id love to try and pry #28 out of the hands of the Thunder and then draft J. Taylor to come backup Prince. He can play lock down defense and hit the 3, which is something that we definitely need on the perimeter.

I'd love to buy a pick in the late first. There's really no excuse for Joe to not do it. Worst case scenario that player becomes a trade asset come Feb, if we come upon an opportunity to trade for a veteran, where the other team is looking for young talent/exp contracts in return.

[Scout Taron]

Ok you guys are right. A point guard who can't run an offense (neither in college or the NBA) and was drafted 8th in what was considered one of the weaker drafts in recent memory would definitely be drafted 2nd in a draft considered one of the deepest and best in recent memory.

Definitely.

[FlipTSO]

^thats pretty accurate, tbh. A SF who avg 12 pts on 25% 3FG doesn't sound like a future All-Star. I think he's a guy who just has a knack for knowing how to win, and thus will be a great role player, but likely never have the stats to be an AS or the go-to scoring ability to be a #1 option.

College stats don't translate bro. Knowing how to win and having a motor translates.

Playing hard and winning doesn't translate into All-Star apearances though either.

[bkseven]

^thats pretty accurate, tbh. A SF who avg 12 pts on 25% 3FG doesn't sound like a future All-Star. I think he's a guy who just has a knack for knowing how to win, and thus will be a great role player, but likely never have the stats to be an AS or the go-to scoring ability to be a #1 option.

College stats don't translate bro. Knowing how to win and having a motor translates.

Playing hard and winning doesn't translate into All-Star apearances though either.

Lol.. so what you're saying is that college players forget how to play hard when they enter the NBA if they were originally high motor players . Do you realize how silly that sounds?

And I never said that it translates to becoming an all-star. If you can play hard consistently in college, then you can play hard consistently in the NBA.

[bkseven]

Ok you guys are right. A point guard who can't run an offense (neither in college or the NBA) and was drafted 8th in what was considered one of the weaker drafts in recent memory would definitely be drafted 2nd in a draft considered one of the deepest and best in recent memory.

Definitely.

His team, which did not have Anthony Davis and MKG, made it to the final four bro. If he can't run an offense, I don't see how he could have accomplished that.

[ComboGuardCity]

Put it this darius miller and Doran lamb were playing more of a role with knight. In 2011 they weren't near as important but a year older. What does that say about the team Knight went to the final 4 with ?

[Scout Taron]

Well that Kentucky team has Terrence Jones a very skilled forward who can rebound and was a great defender in college. And then, both Doron Lamb and Darius Miller are late-first/early second round prospects. Deandre Liggins was drafted. Josh Harrelson was drafted.

So yeah, that team obviously sucked and Knight carried them on his back Stephen Curry-style. Ya know, except for the fact that he didn't perform for 1 or 2 of their tourney games, particularly against Princeton.

[bkseven]

Well that Kentucky team has Terrence Jones a very skilled forward who can rebound and was a great defender in college. And then, both Doron Lamb and Darius Miller are late-first/early second round prospects. Deandre Liggins was drafted. Josh Harrelson was drafted.

So yeah, that team obviously sucked and Knight carried them on his back Stephen Curry-style. Ya know, except for the fact that he didn't perform for 1 or 2 of their tourney games, particularly against Princeton.

Lol... are you serious boy. Doron Lamb and Darius Miller aren't even top 25 guys in this draft. Terrence Jones might not even be in the lottery. He took the team to a final four without ANTHONY DAVIS AND MKG. He was the leader of that team. Those guys who you listed aren't even lottery picks, yet you sarcastically say that they suck.

[Scout Taron]

So...since they aren't top 25 picks, they don't contribute significantly to the team? Really? I'm saying that Knight's team was still stacked with at the very least NBA role-player caliber talent at every starting spot (which is a lot more than other college teams can say). That team still does well without him. Not final four of course, but it's not like Knight was a complete monster who put a terrible team on his back.

Besides, what about Kemba? He carried a worse UConn team with only one other draft pick to the national championship WITHOUT ANTHONY DAVIS AND MKG. So Kemba > Knight correct?

[bkseven]

So...since they aren't top 25 picks, they don't contribute significantly to the team? Really? I'm saying that Knight's team was still stacked with at the very least NBA role-player caliber talent at every starting spot (which is a lot more than other college teams can say). That team still does well without him. Not final four of course, but it's not like Knight was a complete monster who put a terrible team on his back.

Besides, what about Kemba? He carried a worse UConn team with only one other draft pick to the national championship WITHOUT ANTHONY DAVIS AND MKG. So Kemba > Knight correct?

Really? How often do late first rounders and early second rounders become solid NBA role players?

The whole point of talking about the tourney was to show that Knight can run an offense, which you said he couldn't. You can't make it to the final four if you don't got a guy to lead the team. Knight led his team to the final four. Kemba led his team to the championships. In terms of talent, both teams had relatively the same amount. And in a tourney where it's not a best of seven series, anything can happen.

Knight can run an offense, which is why he was able to lead his team to the final four. He was the FACE of that team. Good job trying to get off topic bro.