Some Early Return Advanced Stats

[tmorgan]

Interesting early advanced stats:

(keep in mind, this is for all players, not just starters)
(RPM is a rate stat, WAR is a counting stat for which playing time matters)

For PG: Jackson is 31st in RPM, 19th in WAR (not playing very well overall)
For SG: KCP is 31st in RPM, 16th in WAR (not playing well, either)
For PF: Morris is 11th in RPM, 6th in WAR (a very pleasant surprise)
For PF: Ilyasova is 10th in RPM, 10th in WAR (playing well in less minutes)
For C: Drummond is 3rd in RPM, 1st in WAR (dominant)

Yes, both Morris and Ilyasova are listed as PF, which is kinda weird.

Everyone on our bench sucks, so I'm not listing them.

I know no one is surprised our bench numbers are horrible, but did you realize how well our starting forwards, cobbled together from scratch this off-season, have performed relative to the league? Marcus is absolutely crushing Markieff in RPM and WAR. Ilyasova doesn't play a ton, as is his norm, but he's done well, including defensively, according to these numbers.

RJ and KCP need to step it up. Those numbers in the late teens are pretty terrible for guys getting a ton of minutes.

[Liqourish]

It's still so early, I'm hesitant to think anything regarding these numbers, but it does back up what I've seen watching the games. Drummond is dominant. Ilyasova and Morris have played well, although they've had some poor shooting nights. Jackson and KCP have been inconsistent, but I think alot of that is fatigue due to playing so much with all the turmoil behind them.

[Blkbrd671]

Interesting early advanced stats:

(keep in mind, this is for all players, not just starters)
(RPM is a rate stat, WAR is a counting stat for which playing time matters)

For PG: Jackson is 31st in RPM, 19th in WAR (not playing very well overall)
For SG: KCP is 31st in RPM, 16th in WAR (not playing well, either)
For PF: Morris is 11th in RPM, 6th in WAR (a very pleasant surprise)
For PF: Ilyasova is 10th in RPM, 10th in WAR (playing well in less minutes)
For C: Drummond is 3rd in RPM, 1st in WAR (dominant)

Yes, both Morris and Ilyasova are listed as PF, which is kinda weird.

Everyone on our bench sucks, so I'm not listing them.

I know no one is surprised our bench numbers are horrible, but did you realize how well our starting forwards, cobbled together from scratch this off-season, have performed relative to the league? Marcus is absolutely crushing Markieff in RPM and WAR. Ilyasova doesn't play a ton, as is his norm, but he's done well, including defensively, according to these numbers.

RJ and KCP need to step it up. Those numbers in the late teens are pretty terrible for guys getting a ton of minutes.

27 games should be our sample, or however many games RJ played last year on the Pistons. I think we'll get a better idea of what he is currently and where he could be. RJ's trending upward. I am worried about KCP , Mook i think will progress or SJ will get his minutes, and illy......is going to illy

[Snakebites]

Its interesting to see these poor ratings for Reggie, because I've felt that this season his raw stats look a lot better than the eye test told me he was playing.

Small sample size, though. I anticipate Reggie's advanced stats will start to go up while Morris's will go down.

[Snakebites]

Oh, tmorgan, where did you find these stats?

[mattao313]

Oh, tmorgan, where did you find these stats?

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

[DBC10]

We're also the worst TS% team in the entire league. At 49% TS.

Wow. Even when we had Josh Smith cancering it up (with zealots defending him of course) we weren't the worst TS% in the league.

[Snakebites]

I think I have a better understanding of how volatile these advanced stats are when based on a limited sample size.

We've only played a couple of games since then, and Jackson is now a top 10 pg in terms of RPM- and one of the games we've played since then was terrible! Win shares suck. Sam Cassell is better than Walt Frazier according to those.

A single game has too big an impact on these stats in the early going. Check back on these stats midseason- they might tell us more then.

[DBC10]

^Win shares and DRTG are also notoriously hilarious without actual context too.

Same with in a lesser case, +/-. Some people make up weak arguments based on one set of data that they obviously cherry picked and that makes my head spin.

[Snakebites]

^Win shares and DRTG are also notoriously hilarious without actual context too.

Same with in a lesser case, +/-. Some people make up weak arguments based on one set of data that they obviously cherry picked and that makes my head spin.

Win shares are what I was referring to.

I don't really know enough about RPM, it just seems intuitively like it would be more telling.

I think PER can be valuable if placed in context as well.

[DBC10]

^Win shares and DRTG are also notoriously hilarious without actual context too.

Same with in a lesser case, +/-. Some people make up weak arguments based on one set of data that they obviously cherry picked and that makes my head spin.

Win shares are what I was referring to.

I don't really know enough about RPM, it just seems intuitively like it would be more telling.

I think PER can be valuable if placed in context as well.

No doubt. I'm not well-versed in RPM either, but it does try to account for more variables which is always a good thing and tends to account for those that regular plus-minus tends to lack. Not saying that it's the end all be all, but it is a very good metric with context.

[ImHeisenberg]

Jackson has been really up and down, and it looks like his knee has been bothering him the last five or six games.

KCP's offense has been pure trash, but offset somewhat by his pretty good defense.

We still need to get better. Bottom line.