TaylorMonkey wrote:You don't get to criticize management for a trade without considering what they *actually* did a week later with the "bloat" of the trade and how they made the team better. These "circumstances" that put us in tanking position were all considered and it's unfair to ignore them because they inconvenience a hack job on the FO.
For probably the third time now, I AM NOT CRITICIZING THE TRADE! I am however criticizing management for not shutting the F up. You conveniently forget about the trade being "transcendent," you conveniently forget about "not going to play until he is 100%," and now your forgetting about the "7-10 day timetable." None of this would even be considered by fans if the management was simply quiet about the situation or at least didn't make these predictions that have failed.
Seemed you were criticizing the trade, because you kept pointing out the lack of value we got back in the trade, because a gamble on a healing Bogut wasn't worth even a couple of role players, and because you take exception to considering the "bloat" of the trade when evaluating the trade. So you're okay with it and are only bugged by Lacob's enthusiasm over it?
I suppose I can understand, but I don't have a problem with it. It doesn't bug me like it bugs you. I don't find everything he says distasteful and I'm not very vested in fixating on every perceived screw up to justify a low opinion of the man. He's marketing the product and I can manage my own expectations based on my own realistic analysis.
I'm also not forgetting the 7-10 day timetable. I knew it wasn't set in stone, but was just a plan and hope based Bogut's own optimistic hunch. The real timetable is dictated only by Bogut's own ankle, and I'm wasn't going to be on an emotional roller coaster if he didn't come back then, because I didn't set myself up for massive disappointment if h. The Warriors didn't lie to me. They had hopeful and optimistic expectations that they themselves admitted were just hunches and a tentative game plan and I can read between the lines.
Why would any team in their right mind want Jefferson? We didn't want him, it was the only way we could pass off Jackson. Let's not forget Jackson is the better player of the two and if I'm not mistaken, actually cheaper as well. But it was a decent trade as luckily Festus is doing well.
The Spurs wanted Jackson.
I know we didn't actually want him but like you say, Jackson was a better player than RJ. I was just pointing out that your original criticism of the trade regarding the fact that RJ could have been easily had was irrelevant. We got some value back in a pusher that had some ability to contribute, and turned his negative into a positive through a trade.
You are putting words in my mouth as I have never said the trade was a bad trade. I have however said that so far the trade is not doing what was promised to us by management and that promise was a "transcendent" center. So far we have only got an injured center who just may not recover in the way most are hoping for.
That sounds like the same thing. You're basically saying it wasn't a bad trade then, but it's a bad trade now until Bogut can play again. Or are you happy with the trade even if Bogut isn't transcendent but just didn't like the original marketing? If so, fine. I'm more interested in where the team is now and where it is going than hang onto one word Lacob uttered in an excited and hopeful moment. Bogut still has a chance to be that transcendent center with some luck, and I'm not going to constantly harp on Lacob while I wait.
You are the person bringing Monta into this. I am again just simply saying the management should be quiet and stop resorting to predictions that are continually failing.
Fine. I just don't think it's the most grievous of sins. The team is getting better, and Lacob's been quiet.
cellomac1212 wrote:Any productive player that can actually play basketball if it turns out Bogut is done.
Of course. Hindsight is 20/20. You get no prizes for figuring that out. But what player would you rather take now rather than gamble on Bogut healing?
Pretend you don't have a time machine and you have to make that call today-- because that's what real GMs have to do. They don't get to argue they can do a better job on a forum with perfect information in hindsight.
The biggest issue is you are arguing with me about something I am not arguing about. My point of all this (which has been the same for over a year now) is that management needs to stay in the background. Them trying to sell value to fans with their opinions just makes stuff worse when their opinion (or prediction) is wrong. IMO, better off not saying shis than making statements that are flat out wrong...
I understand that. I don't have a huge problem with it, but obviously the FO is learning to be more moderate as is Jackson. That's good. At the end of the day, I'm more interested in who's on the team and what's happening on the court than one word someone said 8 months ago in a fit of euphoria. And whether or not he said that word doesn't change how I feel about the team. The team is way more interesting than hounding a decent owner for every misstep and perceived flaw.