[MERGED] Warriors hire Mark Jackson (pg 37)

[Quazza]

The Rifleman!!

Dude was a really intense player. Wonder how he operates on the sidelines

[KevinMcreynolds]

lol I called him Wesley Persons. Shows how little I know about him.

Damn, you must be young son. Rifleman was the ill sh*t not too long ago

[tmd_10]

I didn't start watching basketball until the late 90's. I know the name, just not well enough to get it right on the spot.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Word.

And I remember Wesley Person was money in NBA Live 98 too, raining 3's all night

[Quazza]

ha i rate so many past scrubs on their NBA Live abilities

Loi Vaught was a fkn monster for the Clippers

[Motivated-Baron]

Hey Dubs fans,
I was told that Mike Brown's people are pushing hard for the Lakers job. And they're more confident that he'll land in LA than Oakland. I'll keep you posted...

[Left*My*Heart]

I think Frank is our guy.

[Left*My*Heart]

Smart isn't a Lacob guy; if Lacob had owned the Warriors before preseason/training camp had begun, Nellie and all of his coaching staff would have been fired.

[Sleepy51]

Smart isn't a Lacob guy; if Lacob had owned the Warriors before preseason/training camp had begun, Nellie and all of his coaching staff would have been fired.

Smart was hired by the Warriors as a "head coach in training" after his stint as the 2nd youngest head coach in the league as an interim HC with the Cavs in 2003. At that time, he was highly regarded as a coaching prospect despite the Cavs craptitude. He was not likely to be offered another head coaching spot yet, but he was ready to be offered the 1st chair, behind another head coach which is what the Warriors did bringing him in under college coach experiment Mike Montgomery. It's crucial to remember that. He was hired as MONTY's heir apparent. Not Nelson. Nelson had nothing to do with hiring Keith Smart. When Monty floundered, Rowell & Mullin apparently didn't think Smart was ready or right for our particular problems, because they passed him over and hired Nellie.

It would be reasonable and expected for a coach of Nelson's experience and stature to pick his own staff and mentee/heir. Yet, Nellie accepted Smart. I'm sure he didn't hate Keith, but it wasn't his choice, and when has Nellie ever been really happy with someone else's choice/vision? Nellie "accepted" Smart. And I can even recall vaguely, I think before the 2nd? Vegas summer Nellie's sounding a bit reticent about Smart being his SL Head Coach. Moncrief had more success getting traditional "Nellieball out of SL players (ball movement and creativity) but Smart remained entrenched and Moncrief went to our China affiliate. Rowell needed a replacement he could keep in place as "Nellie Insurance." There was discussion of a "competition clause" in Nellie's contract. If Nellie tanked, Rowell had the power to pull the plug. Smart was his standby.

Normally when you get passed over for a promotion along your planned career track it's a bad sign. It means you are out of the pipeline with your current employer and it's time to move on. Smart did not move on. Smart accepted an uneasy compromise after being passed over because he was promised the HC job when Nellie retired. Rowell had promised the job to Smart in exchange for putting his career path on hold behind a head coach who didn't choose him. If Smart had been dismissed without reaching the HC chair here, that would have been really damaging for his career. Getting passed over then fired is a REALLY bad career trajectory. But when Lacob took over, Rowell was retained and Rowell owed Smart his shot. Even three years later, he gave it to him. I suppose that was honorable for Rowell to go to bat for Smart and honorable for Lacob to back him, but it was pretty much a burn card for this season.

[don nelson]

I think Frank is our guy.

+1. With Lacob's background as a Celtics minority owner, Lawrence Franks has been my gut feeling for awhile now. Danny Ainge was the one who suggested Bob Meyers to Lacob and now he's the Warriors assistant GM. Just seems like Lacob is comfortable with his Boston contacts.

[Left*My*Heart]

Smart isn't a Lacob guy; if Lacob had owned the Warriors before preseason/training camp had begun, Nellie and all of his coaching staff would have been fired.

Smart was hired by the Warriors as a "head coach in training" after his stint as the 2nd youngest head coach in the league as an interim HC with the Cavs in 2003. At that time, he was highly regarded as a coaching prospect despite the Cavs craptitude. He was not likely to be offered another head coaching spot yet, but he was ready to be offered the 1st chair, behind another head coach which is what the Warriors did bringing him in under college coach experiment Mike Montgomery. It's crucial to remember that. He was hired as MONTY's heir apparent. Not Nelson. Nelson had nothing to do with hiring Keith Smart. When Monty floundered, Rowell & Mullin apparently didn't think Smart was ready or right for our particular problems, because they passed him over and hired Nellie.

It would be reasonable and expected for a coach of Nelson's experience and stature to pick his own staff and mentee/heir. Yet, Nellie accepted Smart. I'm sure he didn't hate Keith, but it wasn't his choice, and when has Nellie ever been really happy with someone else's choice/vision? Nellie "accepted" Smart. And I can even recall vaguely, I think before the 2nd? Vegas summer Nellie's sounding a bit reticent about Smart being his SL Head Coach. Moncrief had more success getting traditional "Nellieball out of SL players (ball movement and creativity) but Smart remained entrenched and Moncrief went to our China affiliate. Rowell needed a replacement he could keep in place as "Nellie Insurance." There was discussion of a "competition clause" in Nellie's contract. If Nellie tanked, Rowell had the power to pull the plug. Smart was his standby.

Normally when you get passed over for a promotion along your planned career track it's a bad sign. It means you are out of the pipeline with your current employer and it's time to move on. Smart did not move on. Smart accepted an uneasy compromise after being passed over because he was promised the HC job when Nellie retired. Rowell had promised the job to Smart in exchange for putting his career path on hold behind a head coach who didn't choose him. If Smart had been dismissed without reaching the HC chair here, that would have been really damaging for his career. Getting passed over then fired is a REALLY bad career trajectory. But when Lacob took over, Rowell was retained and Rowell owed Smart his shot. Even three years later, he gave it to him. I suppose that was honorable for Rowell to go to bat for Smart and honorable for Lacob to back him, but it was pretty much a burn card for this season.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

Lacob didn't official take over ownership and control of the Warriors until November 12th...

It was too late into season to make drastic changes, like another head coaching change. Smart was basically the interim coach until Lacob could make his hire this off season.

I like Smart, I think the Warriors can and may do a lot worse than him. I sort of feel sorry for the guy because only a miracle would have prevented him from being fired.

[Mylie10]

Thanks for reminding me of Moncreif....that's who I want.

[Sleepy51]

Smart isn't a Lacob guy; if Lacob had owned the Warriors before preseason/training camp had begun, Nellie and all of his coaching staff would have been fired.

Smart was hired by the Warriors as a "head coach in training" after his stint as the 2nd youngest head coach in the league as an interim HC with the Cavs in 2003. At that time, he was highly regarded as a coaching prospect despite the Cavs craptitude. He was not likely to be offered another head coaching spot yet, but he was ready to be offered the 1st chair, behind another head coach which is what the Warriors did bringing him in under college coach experiment Mike Montgomery. It's crucial to remember that. He was hired as MONTY's heir apparent. Not Nelson. Nelson had nothing to do with hiring Keith Smart. When Monty floundered, Rowell & Mullin apparently didn't think Smart was ready or right for our particular problems, because they passed him over and hired Nellie.

It would be reasonable and expected for a coach of Nelson's experience and stature to pick his own staff and mentee/heir. Yet, Nellie accepted Smart. I'm sure he didn't hate Keith, but it wasn't his choice, and when has Nellie ever been really happy with someone else's choice/vision? Nellie "accepted" Smart. And I can even recall vaguely, I think before the 2nd? Vegas summer Nellie's sounding a bit reticent about Smart being his SL Head Coach. Moncrief had more success getting traditional "Nellieball out of SL players (ball movement and creativity) but Smart remained entrenched and Moncrief went to our China affiliate. Rowell needed a replacement he could keep in place as "Nellie Insurance." There was discussion of a "competition clause" in Nellie's contract. If Nellie tanked, Rowell had the power to pull the plug. Smart was his standby.

Normally when you get passed over for a promotion along your planned career track it's a bad sign. It means you are out of the pipeline with your current employer and it's time to move on. Smart did not move on. Smart accepted an uneasy compromise after being passed over because he was promised the HC job when Nellie retired. Rowell had promised the job to Smart in exchange for putting his career path on hold behind a head coach who didn't choose him. If Smart had been dismissed without reaching the HC chair here, that would have been really damaging for his career. Getting passed over then fired is a REALLY bad career trajectory. But when Lacob took over, Rowell was retained and Rowell owed Smart his shot. Even three years later, he gave it to him. I suppose that was honorable for Rowell to go to bat for Smart and honorable for Lacob to back him, but it was pretty much a burn card for this season.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

Lacob didn't official take over ownership and control of the Warriors until November 12th...

It was too late into season to make drastic changes, like another head coaching change. Smart was basically the interim coach until Lacob could make his hire this off season.

I like Smart, I think the Warriors can and may do a lot worse than him. I sort of feel sorry for the guy because only a miracle would have prevented him from being fired.

I only disagree a tiny bit. No matter when Lacob took over, he was apparently keeping Rowell. If he was keeping Rowell then Keith Smart was going to get a head coaching opportunity here. Aside from the fact that Keith is a member of the NBA frat, and mistreating him would have held consequences amongst NBA people who matter (particularly amongst the coaching talent pipeline) Rowell was personally accountable for the promises made to Smart. Lacob can't keep Rowell and then undercut his biggest promise within the organization. That kind of credibility failure can't be overcome. People would be asking for someone else's signature on any that came from Rowell's desk for all eternity.

[MightyReds2020]

Yeah it's hard to go wrong though when you have Jason Kidd in his prime on your team...

And Kidd couldn't stand him.

I don't think that's true. I followed Kidd's Nets very closely, and Frank was literally Kidd's hand-picked coach. Kidd asked for a trade because he couldn't stand the upper-management, not Frank.

From what I can tell, Frank's coaching style is totally "East Coast basketball" - the slower-pace, body flying around-type. Frank's Nets indeed were more of an up-tempo team, but that was mostly due to having Kidd on that team. Even then, all Nets' "fastbreaks" were purposed runs, as opposed to the reckless style that the Warriors have been accustomed to.

I believe Frank's niche is always on the defensive-side. Offensively he was not as great. He inherited the Princeton offense from Byron Scott and made some subtle adjustments, but in general his impact there was very limited. I actually think Princeton O would not be his first-choice if he had not come into a situation when the offense was a proven success for that squad.

[Mylie10]

I can't remember where I read, it was a long time ago. But supposedly Franks micromanagement drove Kidd and Carter nuts. They couldn't stand it and Kidd wanted out.

[MightyReds2020]

There were rumors, and my memory is fuzzy now, but I believed both Kidd and Cater later revealed their issues were more towards the upper-management (the ones above Rod Thorn), though I don't remember if they said anything specifically to Frank.

In Frank's last season, the Nets team were going nowhere - Vince was a shelf of his former shelf but the Nets still treated him as their best guy. Any time you count on Vince you know that's gonna back-fired, big time.

[Left*My*Heart]

I'm fuzzy on the happenings with Kidd in Jersey so I pulled up some articles to hopefully clear out the cobwebs...Here are some articles on Kidd and leaving the Nets:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... ime-080130

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _its_.html

I thought I recalled that he wanted to distance himself from his ex-wife and wanted to play for a contender

[MightyReds2020]

Found this interesting article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... frank.html

"There are so many things wrong with the Nets right now, a hand-written list of issues might very well stretch from here to their practice facility back in East Rutherford.

However, one thing that isn't a problem according to Jason Kidd is the coach.

..."

One more, from just few weeks ago:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maverick ... regrouping

[floppymoose]

Nellie has been nothing but supportive of Smart.

[x-]

Small update: Dwane Casey is forsure not going to Oakland.. soo count him out.

Hey bro.
Any chance you could keep us Rockets fans updated if you hear anything on Casey?

I'd really appreciate it.