The Tank 11'12 thread.

[EvanZ]

The funny thing is that Curry's defense is actually underrated.

He has a +0.7 DRAPM. Now, it's not a perfect measurement (no stat is), but let's compare to some other PG's.

I've bolded the ratings lower than Curry.

Nash +0.5
Conley +0.9
Rose +0.4
Lowry +2.4 (!!!)
Paul +1.4
Parker +1.6
Miller -0.8
Udrih +0.8
Holiday +0.8
Lawson -0.8
Kidd +2.1
DWill -1.5
Harris -0.8
Nate -0.5
Collison -1.0
Fisher +0.6
Sessions -0.4
Rondo -0.2
Ridnour -1.2
Jennings -1.1
Augustin -2.6
Felton -0.2

[Jester_]

The funny thing is that Curry's defense is actually underrated.

He has a +0.7 DRAPM. Now, it's not a perfect measurement (no stat is), but let's compare to some other PG's.

I've bolded the ratings lower than Curry.

Nash +0.5
Conley +0.9
Rose +0.4
Lowry +2.4 (!!!)
Paul +1.4
Parker +1.6
Miller -0.8
Udrih +0.8
Holiday +0.8
Lawson -0.8
Kidd +2.1
DWill -1.5
Harris -0.8
Nate -0.5
Collison -1.0
Fisher +0.6
Sessions -0.4
Rondo -0.2
Ridnour -1.2
Jennings -1.1
Augustin -2.6
Felton -0.2

The only number on that list that's really surprising to me is D. Rose at +0.4. That's nearly half Curry's. I would expect it to be much higher for a guy who's touted to be such a good defender. Maybe it's because he has to guard 2's a lot.

EDIT: WTF at Rondo at -0.2. Am I missing something??

[EvanZ]

Like Kobe, reputation often stays with a player throughhout his career even if it's not deserved.

In Rondo's case, his defense appears to be steadily declining for a while now.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/players/553.png

[whocurrz]

The funny thing is that Curry's defense is actually underrated.

He has a +0.7 DRAPM. Now, it's not a perfect measurement (no stat is), but let's compare to some other PG's.

I've bolded the ratings lower than Curry.

Nash +0.5
Conley +0.9
Rose +0.4
Lowry +2.4 (!!!)
Paul +1.4
Parker +1.6
Miller -0.8
Udrih +0.8
Holiday +0.8
Lawson -0.8
Kidd +2.1
DWill -1.5
Harris -0.8
Nate -0.5
Collison -1.0
Fisher +0.6
Sessions -0.4
Rondo -0.2
Ridnour -1.2
Jennings -1.1
Augustin -2.6
Felton -0.2

The only number on that list that's really surprising to me is D. Rose at +0.4. That's nearly half Curry's. I would expect it to be much higher for a guy who's touted to be such a good defender. Maybe it's because he has to guard 2's a lot.

EDIT: WTF at Rondo at -0.2. Am I missing something??

Nah, Rose is not a good defender. Monta and Curry have both torched him over the last few years. The reason he's touted to be a good defender, is because RealGM is full of Rose fanboys, who don't realize he is average at best, but looks decent with his supporting cast and great head coach.

J Kidd still being so high with his declining athleticism and the rules that seem to allow PGs to get into the lane at will, is truly amazing.

Curry is an underrated man to man defender. It's stuff like closing out on his guy and making the right rotations he needs to improve upon.

[cellomac1212]

The funny thing is that Curry's defense is actually underrated.

He has a +0.7 DRAPM. Now, it's not a perfect measurement (no stat is), but let's compare to some other PG's.

I've bolded the ratings lower than Curry.

Nash +0.5
Conley +0.9
Rose +0.4
Lowry +2.4 (!!!)
Paul +1.4
Parker +1.6
Miller -0.8
Udrih +0.8
Holiday +0.8
Lawson -0.8
Kidd +2.1
DWill -1.5
Harris -0.8
Nate -0.5
Collison -1.0
Fisher +0.6
Sessions -0.4
Rondo -0.2
Ridnour -1.2
Jennings -1.1
Augustin -2.6
Felton -0.2

I truly hope you don't believe Curry is a better defender than all those players he's rated hire than. Again, stats ftl...

[EvanZ]

I'm not sure any of those guys are better as you seem to be, though I am quite sure Curry is not as bad as you and others around here think.

Hence, stats ftw.

[azwfan]

He's played in less than half of our games, so i'm not sure any stats this year are really going to say anything one way or the other. Though I did think he looked much improved on D early on.

[floppymoose]

Curry's defense is fine. As is his rebounding. You need to compare his defense to the opposing PG, rather than to the other Warriors on the court. Do that and you'll realize he's not hurting us.

[jazzfan1971]

You can pretty easily tell if a player's defense is less than fine. If it's a problem the other team will often iso against your player, often in the post.

We used to see Kyle Korver iso'd a lot here in Utah. It was pretty obvious that opposing coaches saw him as a defensive liability.

Of course that test doesn't say much for help defense. But, usually folks talk about man defense first when it comes to the back court.

[Coxy]

Not sure why you'd choose to dig that old rem response jazzman. He make a good point about proven and producing players against young, raw and potential players.

[jazzfan1971]

Not sure why you'd choose to dig that old rem response jazzman. He make a good point about proven and producing players against young, raw and potential players.

I'm completely lost here. Not sure which Old Rem post you are talking about.

[floppymoose]

The other reason to run iso's against a player, especially a young one, is to draw fouls and get that player off the court.

[jazzfan1971]

The other reason to run iso's against a player, especially a young one, is to draw fouls and get that player off the court.

Yeah, but it's usually that the defender is a liability. Not being able to play defense without fouling is basically confirming that you play poor defense.

[EvanZ]

Not sure why you'd choose to dig that old rem response jazzman. He make a good point about proven and producing players against young, raw and potential players.

I'm completely lost here. Not sure which Old Rem post you are talking about.

Your sig?

[EvanZ]

Curry's defense is fine. As is his rebounding. You need to compare his defense to the opposing PG, rather than to the other Warriors on the court. Do that and you'll realize he's not hurting us.

Wait, you're saying that by comparing him to his teammates' defense, the bar is too high? That's a new one.