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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby floppymoose on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:44 pm

EvanZ wrote:Don't trade down when there are better players available at 7

1 great NBA player does not equal 2 mediocre NBA players.


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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby don nelson on Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:50 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Marvin Williams for Beans and 30

Only if the Warriors don't include their #30 and Marvin Williams suddenly and unexpectedly dies. A valid death certificate for Marvin Williams is absolutely mandatory and is not in any way, shape or form negotiable. But if for any reason Marvin should somehow come back to life the Warriors will have the right to require Atlanta to substitute the living Marvin Williams with Al Horford.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Quazza on Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:02 am

don nelson wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:Marvin Williams for Beans and 30

Only if the Warriors don't include their #30 and Marvin Williams suddenly and unexpectedly dies. A valid death certificate for Marvin Williams is absolutely mandatory and is not in any way, shape or form negotiable. But if for any reason Marvin should somehow come back to life the Warriors will have the right to require Atlanta to substitute the living Marvin Williams with Al Horford.


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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Jester_ on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:12 am

don nelson wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:Marvin Williams for Beans and 30

Only if the Warriors don't include their #30 and Marvin Williams suddenly and unexpectedly dies. A valid death certificate for Marvin Williams is absolutely mandatory and is not in any way, shape or form negotiable. But if for any reason Marvin should somehow come back to life the Warriors will have the right to require Atlanta to substitute the living Marvin Williams with Al Horford.


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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby and1GS on Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:34 pm

floppymoose wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Don't trade down when there are better players available at 7

1 great NBA player does not equal 2 mediocre NBA players.


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Word. I honestly think 7 is the spot to be at. We'll miss out on the super-hyped prospects but there will be a few quality bigs to choose from, some guard options and whoever randomly drops out of the top 6.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby migya on Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:41 am

I don't get what this great sesperation of a backup big is. Yes, Tyler and AB don't cut it, but they can play the backup minutes, especially when Lee already plays heavy minutes and Bogut will also. Backups at PF and C will not get more than 10mins a game, unless there is an injury.

There is no starting SF on the team right now. Rush is pretty good and plays both ends alright, but since the team doesn't have a superstar, there is a need for five very good starters. A very good SF is needed. Curry and Klay look promising, but Curry is a question mark with his ankle and both he and Klay are pretty bad defenders. Lee is also a prety bad defender and Bogut is pretty good offensively but not that good, probably 15 points a game from him would be a bit of a dream. A SF like Iguodala would fit great. He plays both ends and is a good playmaker. His drop in scoring the last two seasons is a concern, but I think that was more because Philly plays by committee in that they would rather share the load and they did it well. Gay is grossly paid, but what you get with him is a very good scorer and quite a good rebounder that can play a bit of PF as well.

Better getting a very good SF that will play 35mins a game well than a backup that will only get the chance to play 10-15mins a game.

Other than that, getting a superstar is the greatest need for the team. Most championship teams have at least one superstar and most have at least one allstar caliber player next to him. There is not even an allstar here, though Lee right now is allstar caliber and Bogut close as well, Curry has the potential to be. Make a deal or two to get two already allstar player(s) and then look to get the superstar.

Since Charlote looks to be shopping the #2 pick (crazy as it seems), offer them Klay and #7 for the #2. Upgrade for them with SG and they can still get a starter, be it Barnes or Sullinger. If Ainge still would trade Rondo, the Warriors send Curry and resigned Rush or one other player not Lee or Bogut. Get allstar and upgrade at PG and then draft MKG. Either get MKG or use the #2 to get a superstar. Best move possible would be Bogut and #2 to Orlando for resigned Dwight for five years and RAnderson.

Have Rondo, MKG, Lee and Dwight. Look to trade #30 and one other player or #30 and one or all the other draft picks we'd still have in this draft for a starting SG, like JRich, WChandler or Turner of Philly.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Jester_ on Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:01 am

So Lee and Bogut are supposed to play 40 minutes a game?

Backup big is our biggest need by far. No we don't need to bet the farm on random NBA 2k12 trades to get Dwight. And no way in hell is Lee better than Bogut, let alone all-star calibre.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Mylie10 on Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:47 am

Migya,

what's your plan for when Bogut strains his calf muscle or if Lee gets bit in the arm by a vampire?

We can't be running out iedrins and Tyler and expect to keep winning games....we currently have five different guys who can legitimately play the 3.

we can get a solid three at pick number 30 if we keep it......Crowder, Draymomd, and Hummel are all studs.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby and1GS on Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:44 pm

Draymond is a perfect back up 3, can play some small ball 4 as well. Though I'm not sure his ceiling is much higher than a more offense minded McGuire. How is he on defense?
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Coxy on Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:31 am

and1GS wrote:
floppymoose wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Don't trade down when there are better players available at 7

1 great NBA player does not equal 2 mediocre NBA players.


this!


Word. I honestly think 7 is the spot to be at. We'll miss out on the super-hyped prospects but there will be a few quality bigs to choose from, some guard options and whoever randomly drops out of the top 6.


I personally like the number 1 pick. But that's just me.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby migya on Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:59 am

Mylie10 wrote:Migya,

what's your plan for when Bogut strains his calf muscle or if Lee gets bit in the arm by a vampire?

We can't be running out iedrins and Tyler and expect to keep winning games....we currently have five different guys who can legitimately play the 3.

we can get a solid three at pick number 30 if we keep it......Crowder, Draymomd, and Hummel are all studs.



You can't think like that, especially when there is a hole at another position. Bogut and/or Lee could get injured, but then again, they could not and play all 82 games. Use the #30 for a backup big then or use the MLE on one. That won't get you a star big, but you're looking for a backup, that's it.

Five guys that can play the SF? Name the one or two that are starter SF worthy? Rush, McGuire? Where would you rank either one among starting SFs in the nba right now? I'd say lower half to say the least. You can say "Oh, but there have been alot of championship teams that had one starting role player", Yea, but they also had one or two superstars starting as well :wink: There lies the difference. The Warriors, have none, no named allstar either, so having five very good starters is a must to have a chance to be a good playoff team, probably just to make the playoffs in the tough Western Conference.

Bigs are the hardest to find, but we have two of them already! They start at PF and C. If we only had one, then we'd have to do what we could to get another one to have two of them.

#1 thing to being a championship contender to have at least one superstar, that's hard to get though if you don't draft one. That's the #1 aim for this FO. You fill holes after that. JSmith is out of favour it looks in Atlanta, those turds didn't even offer him a contract again I read. Look to get him for Lee, he is better and plays both ends, not a superstar but allstar caliber. Start with something like that. Get Iguodala, who looks like he is heading out and being replaced by young guys like Young and Turner. He'd be cheaper than ever now I think.

Getting Charlotte's #2 in this draft is possible. Offer something to get it. That'd give us a great chance to trade for a superstar then.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Coxy on Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:10 am

migya wrote:Bigs are the hardest to find, but we have two of them already! They start at PF and C. If we only had one, then we'd have to do what we could to get another one to have two of them.


Big people in general tend to get injured more often. They have such a harder time keeping their bodies running smoothly, especially because of the physical demands of the positions they play.

In my opinion, you need 4-5 bigs that can all play. PG/SG's, u need 2-3. SF's, 2-3 as well.

We need bigs in a bad way. Wings aren't even worth thinking about right now. Even if we draft high potential bigs this draft, their trade value is >>>>>> wings, so we can package them up and trade for a 3 if it's dire.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby Jester_ on Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:42 am

First of all, J Smith isn't a superstar. Second of all, you didn't answer my question: Are you telling me you expect Lee and Bogut to kick in 40 minutes a game?
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby azwfan on Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:53 am

Coxy wrote:
migya wrote:Bigs are the hardest to find, but we have two of them already! They start at PF and C. If we only had one, then we'd have to do what we could to get another one to have two of them.


Big people in general tend to get injured more often. They have such a harder time keeping their bodies running smoothly, especially because of the physical demands of the positions they play.

In my opinion, you need 4-5 bigs that can all play. PG/SG's, u need 2-3. SF's, 2-3 as well.

We need bigs in a bad way. Wings aren't even worth thinking about right now. Even if we draft high potential bigs this draft, their trade value is >>>>>> wings, so we can package them up and trade for a 3 if it's dire.


I think right now we have the #1 and #2 slots filled. We're missing 3 and 4. Biedrins and Tyler fighting for 5. After this offseason i at least want the 3rd big that can play. Biedrins and/or Tyler is still going to need to play, but after getting that 3rd big, we're much less reliant on them. (Dont want to rely on Biedrins cause he's sucked for like 3 yrs now, and Tyler because he's raw and young).

I'm afraid of relying on #30 or #35 to produce our rotation big man, because typically big guys drafted in those positions don't produce right away. I know there have been some that have (Boozer, Milsap) come to mind)... but the majority need time to play right away. Wings and Guards on the other hand seem much more likely to come in and produce right away.
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Re: SF and Smith combo?

Postby migya on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:50 am

Jester_ wrote:First of all, J Smith isn't a superstar. Second of all, you didn't answer my question: Are you telling me you expect Lee and Bogut to kick in 40 minutes a game?



Look at my post, I didn't say JSmith was a superstar.

Take a look at Lee's minutes this season, he got over 37mins a game. Bogut got over 35mins last season when he played most of the season. Those two will get those sort of minutes again, probably more. There will only be some 10-12 minutes for each of the big backup positions, so 20-25mins in total. If you want one backup big to play all of those minutes, then certainly he'd have to be a good player. Then you'd have to get a starting caliber type big or almost at that level. More important to get a SF that can play 35mins very well, since we have none.
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