Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE)

[Mylie10]

I don't know if Kerr will start Barnes or Iggy in the starting lineup....but I know he SHOULD start Iguodala as last year proved that Barnes made it worse when Iggy was injured.

If they struggle after a few real games, then maybe mix it up and bring Iguodala off the bench....I don't get the rush to change what's working.

Didn't know you were such an Iggy fan. One of his strengths is passing so it behooves to maximize that with Livingston down. You guys talked about DeMarre Carroll and he can provide more points, 3s and better FT% with skosh less TOs. What he can't do is dish out the dimes like Iggy. If Livingston can play a lot of minutes like Jack a couple years ago, then that would take some of the pressure of Iggy.

Someone who would be an excellent trade for Iggy would be Nicolas Batum. Obviously, POR isn't going to trade him for Iggy straight up since Batum is young. Iggy is unique in that he can provide PG dimes and steals and yet block shots. He's weak in scoring and FT% of course.

I'm actually not a so-called Iguodala fan. I'm a fan of basketball and I appreciate Iguodala putting things aside to do the other things that are really evident out there. I love guys who sacrifice for team over individual stats. Iguodala and Bogut have both stated that Steph and Klay should be taking shots, that maybe on lesser teams Bog's and Iggy would take. Some people lament about Iguodala's points per game, like that really means anything. What it means is that he recognizes that other shoot the ball better and our better options. Thats smart basketball.

And looking at all the plus minus and impact stats state that Iguodala is one of the best in the league, I can't just ignore that, because when Barnes took over for Iguodala in the starting lineup, all those numbers tanked. Its clear evidence and I can't and won't ignore it.

I always claim like I'm right, but when i'm wrong and evidence hits me in the face, I think its improtant to adjust my way of thinking. In this case I couldn't, nor would I want to, stick to a force Barnes in the lineup at every opportunity, when the evidence doesn't support it.

I don't however think Barnes is a lost cause, I see actually tangible pieces of some change, that should help his game. One of them is the use of the left hand. Towards the end of last year, he started using it more and it seems like its really helping his finishing. I also see a bit more of a patience to his offense, although in the first quarter yesterday he was a bit out of control and made some bad decisions passing. Maybe it was because he was starting at home on an Iguodala bobblehead night, lol.

My hope is that they all stay healthy and we cut down on the damn turnovers. We do that and continue to rebound as a team and then I think we win the Pacific division, and its on.

[jason bourne]

I don't know if Kerr will start Barnes or Iggy in the starting lineup....but I know he SHOULD start Iguodala as last year proved that Barnes made it worse when Iggy was injured.

If they struggle after a few real games, then maybe mix it up and bring Iguodala off the bench....I don't get the rush to change what's working.

Didn't know you were such an Iggy fan. One of his strengths is passing so it behooves to maximize that with Livingston down. You guys talked about DeMarre Carroll and he can provide more points, 3s and better FT% with skosh less TOs. What he can't do is dish out the dimes like Iggy. If Livingston can play a lot of minutes like Jack a couple years ago, then that would take some of the pressure of Iggy.

Someone who would be an excellent trade for Iggy would be Nicolas Batum. Obviously, POR isn't going to trade him for Iggy straight up since Batum is young. Iggy is unique in that he can provide PG dimes and steals and yet block shots. He's weak in scoring and FT% of course.

I'm actually not a so-called Iguodala fan. I'm a fan of basketball and I appreciate Iguodala putting things aside to do the other things that are really evident out there. I love guys who sacrifice for team over individual stats. Iguodala and Bogut have both stated that Steph and Klay should be taking shots, that maybe on lesser teams Bog's and Iggy would take. Some people lament about Iguodala's points per game, like that really means anything. What it means is that he recognizes that other shoot the ball better and our better options. Thats smart basketball.

And looking at all the plus minus and impact stats state that Iguodala is one of the best in the league, I can't just ignore that, because when Barnes took over for Iguodala in the starting lineup, all those numbers tanked. Its clear evidence and I can't and won't ignore it.

I always claim like I'm right, but when i'm wrong and evidence hits me in the face, I think its improtant to adjust my way of thinking. In this case I couldn't, nor would I want to, stick to a force Barnes in the lineup at every opportunity, when the evidence doesn't support it.

I don't however think Barnes is a lost cause, I see actually tangible pieces of some change, that should help his game. One of them is the use of the left hand. Towards the end of last year, he started using it more and it seems like its really helping his finishing. I also see a bit more of a patience to his offense, although in the first quarter yesterday he was a bit out of control and made some bad decisions passing. Maybe it was because he was starting at home on an Iguodala bobblehead night, lol.

My hope is that they all stay healthy and we cut down on the damn turnovers. We do that and continue to rebound as a team and then I think we win the Pacific division, and its on.

I'll have to watch for Barnes left hand lol. Would like to see him flow more with the offense though. He still seems kind of stiff out there.

You hit the nail on the head with the TOs. Curry will continue to get his share, but he needs to focus some on keeping the ball or passing it. That's where another ball handler becomes important.

Anyhoo, I think this year the Ws will have to make some decisions for their future (one of them hopefully is to keep/get draft picks). By paying Klay, I think the Ws will be forced to decide on Barnes, Green, and even Ezeli. If you add SP8 and Lee's expiring or near-expiring contracts, then you have some trade ammo. I'd also put Iguodala in there as trade bait.

[RoyalMajesty]

Barnes can do things that Dunleavy can't do on the court, because of his athleticism. But in terms of pure productivity, ability to adapt, court savvy, and ability to play multiple roles effectively, Dunleavy is a more effective and consistent player tan Barnes is at this point in his career. He (Dunleavy) can contribute multiple ways - scoring, rebounding, helping to handle the ball and set his teammates up with smart passes - whereas right now if Barnes isn't scoring, he isn't particularly helpful.

This said, it's possible that Barnes is a better fit in Kerr's offense - cutting and playing off his teammates, Barnes' role will probably be simplified, and he might be able to do it better than Dunleavy could.

Yes, yes, and yes. I don't mean to disrespect Mike Dunleavy Jr. like he shouldn't be in the NBA or some sort. Over the years he really developed into being a good shooter that the Warriors envisioned early on in his career. He also played with better head coaches such as Rick Carlisle and Tom Thibodeau than guys like Eric Musselman and Mike Montgomery (I know that's pretty bad >____<). I just believe Harrison Barnes will be much better use this upcoming season under Steve Kerr and Alvin Gentry.

Mike Dunleavy Jr. can handle the basketball a little bit, not bad of a passer, and is a solid rebounder, but isn't that Andre Iguodala's job? Sooner or later, the Warriors are going to decide if it's worth keeping Andre Iguodala and his overpaid contract that the Warriors can get for a resigned PF/SF-Draymond Green ($6 mil to $7 mil per year) AND signing a new backup C or a backup SF such as Mike Dunleavy Jr. ($3 mil to $4 mil per year) who's a free agent after this upcoming season. This upcoming season is going to be huge for Iguodala to see if he's worth keeping aorund.

So when you finished playing in your feces, you acknowledge that Dunleavy is a better player than Barnes.

Thanks

And no. No one is trading us MKG for Barens.

Did you and Mike Dunleavy Jr. had sex together or something? It would explained your incredible love for him.

[Sleepy51]

Yes, yes, and yes. I don't mean to disrespect Mike Dunleavy Jr. like he shouldn't be in the NBA or some sort. Over the years he really developed into being a good shooter that the Warriors envisioned early on in his career. He also played with better head coaches such as Rick Carlisle and Tom Thibodeau than guys like Eric Musselman and Mike Montgomery (I know that's pretty bad >____<). I just believe Harrison Barnes will be much better use this upcoming season under Steve Kerr and Alvin Gentry.

Mike Dunleavy Jr. can handle the basketball a little bit, not bad of a passer, and is a solid rebounder, but isn't that Andre Iguodala's job? Sooner or later, the Warriors are going to decide if it's worth keeping Andre Iguodala and his overpaid contract that the Warriors can get for a resigned PF/SF-Draymond Green ($6 mil to $7 mil per year) AND signing a new backup C or a backup SF such as Mike Dunleavy Jr. ($3 mil to $4 mil per year) who's a free agent after this upcoming season. This upcoming season is going to be huge for Iguodala to see if he's worth keeping aorund.

So when you finished playing in your feces, you acknowledge that Dunleavy is a better player than Barnes.

Thanks

And no. No one is trading us MKG for Barens.

Did you and Mike Dunleavy Jr. had sex together or something? It would explained your incredible love for him.

Yawn...your only basketball related comment in the thread supports my argument. I could care less about the rest of your childish nonsense. But if I see you attacking other posters like this because you can't win an argument you will find yourself being suspended. Talk hoops,not BS or find somewhere else to do your trashy posting.


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[shazam_guy]

I'm not sure I understand the standards in play here. Saying someone might want to have sex with Mike Dunleavy is attacking other posters, but saying someone is playing with his feces isn't?

I am not trolling. I just don't get that.

[Sleepy51]

I'm not sure I understand the standards in play here. Saying someone might want to have sex with Mike Dunleavy is attacking other posters, but saying someone is playing with his feces isn't?

I am not trolling. I just don't get that.

That was me describing a series of personal attacks made in this thread, not me describing the poster's basketball opinions. As you may recall "throwing your poop around the room" is a euphemism that we have used to describe trolling, flaming and personal attacking for some time now on this board. I'm pretty sure you have never read me as a poster or a moderator describing someone's basketball opinions as throwing poop or playing with feces, only the personal attack stuff. That was the nudge to try to hint that this poster was heading down the wrong path before I had to put on my moderator hat and start issuing warnings. There are several personal attacks and insults from the same poster in this thread.

Call it managing down to their level.

If you have further questions feel free to PM me.

[and1GS]

Who wants to **** Mike Dunleavy? Be careful, booing encourages his impotence.


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[shazam_guy]

Thanks for the explanation.

[ILOVEIT]

Trade Checker works for the following:

David Lee to Kings
Jason Thompson and Carl Landry to Warriors

I like this because it removes Lee as a soft guy in the middle....Landry is more reliable low post and mid range jump shooter...and Jason adds depth.

Why for Kings? Because they have an inept front office that will be desperate to make deals and this is one they can make and look like they are upgrading talent....which they are for a losing level team.

[turk3d]

I'm not sure I understand the standards in play here. Saying someone might want to have sex with Mike Dunleavy is attacking other posters, but saying someone is playing with his feces isn't?

I am not trolling. I just don't get that.

Not to detract from Sleepy's response to you Shazam, but that was a very good analogy you made which caused me to laugh quite a bit.

[nate2005dubs]

Trade Checker works for the following:

David Lee to Kings
Jason Thompson and Carl Landry to Warriors

I like this because it removes Lee as a soft guy in the middle....Landry is more reliable low post and mid range jump shooter...and Jason adds depth.

Why for Kings? Because they have an inept front office that will be desperate to make deals and this is one they can make and look like they are upgrading talent....which they are for a losing level team.

Definitely wouldnt do that. Both of the contracts we would be getting are untradeable. Huge loss overall.


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[old rem]

Who wants to **** Mike Dunleavy? Be careful, booing encourages his impotence.


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Quit bringing it up or I'll throw poop on you.

I just don't need that image. I'm tryin' to eat lunch.

[Kuya]

Harrison Barnes for Julius Randle lehhhgooo

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[ChuckDurn]

Harrison Barnes for Julius Randle lehhhgooo

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Not sure if you're serious..... but that's not a bad idea.

Sounds like it was a clean break that Randle had, though he has been ruled out for the rest of the year. Broken bones tend not to have the long-term detrimental effects on athleticism / durability that torn ligaments do (well, except for Bogut), so theoretically he shouldn't have any long-term problems because of this. He could be the successor to David Lee (sorry, guys, but I don't see Draymond as a starting-level guy in the league..... more of a super-sub), and he'll be on his rookie contract for 2 more years than Barnes will be. That could be key as we approach the luxury tax in coming years.

LA probably has to make a decision - do they want to tank the year, and try to ensure that they can keep their pick (they lose it to Phoenix if it's #6 or worse), or do they try to pick up some wins and not be embarrassing to Laker Nation. They should do the former, but will Kobe and the Busses (Jeannie and Jim) stand for it? I doubt it. And if that's the case, I could see them trading Randle for somebody who could help them this year at one of their positions of greatest need - SF.

LA would have never done it before the injury..... but now? Maybe. It comes down to "what does LA want to do this year? and Do the Warriors worry that Randle won't heal and / or is injury-prone, as he also missed time before college for a foot injury."

This is an interesting one to chew over.....

[Kuya]

I was serious, and I'd take a chance on Randles ceiling over Barnes at this point.

The heir apparent for our starting PF position is more important than finding stability at the SF.

Kobe Bryants eindow is opportunity is only this season and the next.

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[Coxy]

I was serious, and I'd take a chance on Randles ceiling over Barnes at this point.

The heir apparent for our starting PF position is more important than finding stability at the SF.

Kobe Bryants eindow is opportunity is only this season and the next.

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I'd take a prime Uwe Blab's ceiling over Barnes ceiling right now.

No way the Lakers listen.

[californiadude]

I was serious, and I'd take a chance on Randles ceiling over Barnes at this point.

The heir apparent for our starting PF position is more important than finding stability at the SF.

Kobe Bryants eindow is opportunity is only this season and the next.

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I'd take a prime Uwe Blab's ceiling over Barnes ceiling right now.

No way the Lakers listen.

Barnes ceiling isn't the problem. It's the lack of a floor.

[hamncheese]

Dunleavy's line last night - 14 pts, 9 boards, 8 asts, 1 stl, 2 blocks.

[FNQ]

Dunleavy's line last night - 14 pts, 9 boards, 8 asts, 1 stl, 2 blocks.

I fkn hate Dunleavy. He has an attitude that matches his looks: androgynous.

But he's a cerebral player that's pretty solid and if he weren't the lovechild of his dad and Pat from SNL then I'd love to have him on the team

[turk3d]

Dunleavy's line last night - 14 pts, 9 boards, 8 asts, 1 stl, 2 blocks.

I don't care how good you may think he is, Dunleavy would shoot himself in the head before accepting a trade back here. I don't think anyone wants his death on their consciences do you?