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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE) 

Post#41 » by old rem » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:10 pm

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Frank Mulely wrote:If Embiid can somehow stay healthy it is going to be an interesting squad in Philly.

Yeah, they're definitely assembling a lot of talent there. Embiid, Noel, and Saric are very solid, and they are certainly going to get a very high pick this coming year. I'm not really high on MCW, but he's serviceable.

The multi-year tank plan could end up with them being a very dangerous team come 2017 or so.


Solid? No. High potential..sure. I have seen a LOT of guys thought to have a ton of Potential...turn out mediocre. Thabeet? Citing 3 guys with a total of NO NBA minutes as "solid?" .. I don't go with that. It is a risky strategic approach. They figure to tank this year.. then with another high pick have good if raw talent to develop. They also aim to have a low $ payroll..so..at some point add a FA. It MIGHT pay off big in 3-6 yrs..or might not.
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Post#42 » by scoobs07 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:08 pm

Would you trade Iguodala to the Lakers for Lin?

Why for Warriors?

-You save money on salary for the 2015 and 2016 off seasons
-You improve back up PG with a fan favorite

Why for Lakers?

-Improve small forward position
-I like his defense, this would help Kobe out a lot
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE) 

Post#43 » by Mylie10 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:39 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Iguodala to the Lakers for Lin?

Why for Warriors?

-You save money on salary for the 2015 and 2016 off seasons
-You improve back up PG with a fan favorite

Why for Lakers?

-Improve small forward position
-I like his defense, this would help Kobe out a lot


We already improved our back up pg position with Shaun Livingston. Iguodala had the largest plus minus in the league last season and he was nursing a hamstring injury for much of it.

How about Barnes for Randle?
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE) 

Post#44 » by ChuckDurn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:12 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Iguodala to the Lakers for Lin?

Why for Warriors?

-You save money on salary for the 2015 and 2016 off seasons
-You improve back up PG with a fan favorite

Why for Lakers?

-Improve small forward position
-I like his defense, this would help Kobe out a lot

Was this serious? If the Warriors' goal for a deal is to simultaneously make themselves much worse, and help an opponent, this would accomplish it.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE) 

Post#45 » by nate2005dubs » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:14 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Iguodala to the Lakers for Lin?

Why for Warriors?

-You save money on salary for the 2015 and 2016 off seasons
-You improve back up PG with a fan favorite

Why for Lakers?

-Improve small forward position
-I like his defense, this would help Kobe out a lot

Come on man... Why would we need another pg? And Iggy was also first team all defense. Lin is also way overpaid. No reason for us to lose chemistry and sacrifice our season to save on a long term contract that isn't even that bad.


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Post#46 » by ChuckDurn » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:23 pm

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ChuckDurn wrote:
Frank Mulely wrote:If Embiid can somehow stay healthy it is going to be an interesting squad in Philly.

Yeah, they're definitely assembling a lot of talent there. Embiid, Noel, and Saric are very solid, and they are certainly going to get a very high pick this coming year. I'm not really high on MCW, but he's serviceable.

The multi-year tank plan could end up with them being a very dangerous team come 2017 or so.


Solid? No. High potential..sure. I have seen a LOT of guys thought to have a ton of Potential...turn out mediocre. Thabeet? Citing 3 guys with a total of NO NBA minutes as "solid?" .. I don't go with that. It is a risky strategic approach. They figure to tank this year.. then with another high pick have good if raw talent to develop. They also aim to have a low $ payroll..so..at some point add a FA. It MIGHT pay off big in 3-6 yrs..or might not.

rem, you're right. "Solid" was the wrong choice of words. Use "talented" in the place of "solid" in my original post, and you get to my actual intent, which I think you agree with.
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Post#47 » by RoyalMajesty » Wed Sep 3, 2014 7:19 am

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Iguodala to the Lakers for Lin?

Why for Warriors?

-You save money on salary for the 2015 and 2016 off seasons
-You improve back up PG with a fan favorite

Why for Lakers?

-Improve small forward position
-I like his defense, this would help Kobe out a lot


Yea that's great for the Lakers that they get a guy like Iguodala, but what the hell would this trade do for the Warriors? As overpaid Iguodala is, I rather have a overpaid SF than no SF. Lin won't get minutes as the backup PG when the Warriors already have Shaun Livingston here and the Warriors are not thinking about saving money right now when they trying to compete for a title.
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Post#48 » by old rem » Sat Sep 6, 2014 8:55 pm

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old rem wrote:
ChuckDurn wrote:Yeah, they're definitely assembling a lot of talent there. Embiid, Noel, and Saric are very solid, and they are certainly going to get a very high pick this coming year. I'm not really high on MCW, but he's serviceable.

The multi-year tank plan could end up with them being a very dangerous team come 2017 or so.


Solid? No. High potential..sure. I have seen a LOT of guys thought to have a ton of Potential...turn out mediocre. Thabeet? Citing 3 guys with a total of NO NBA minutes as "solid?" .. I don't go with that. It is a risky strategic approach. They figure to tank this year.. then with another high pick have good if raw talent to develop. They also aim to have a low $ payroll..so..at some point add a FA. It MIGHT pay off big in 3-6 yrs..or might not.

rem, you're right. "Solid" was the wrong choice of words. Use "talented" in the place of "solid" in my original post, and you get to my actual intent, which I think you agree with.


Agree. the Sixers are running a strategy with risks but a nice shot at success. Today's One And Done drafts.. are so speculative I don't like to assume too much..and teams often screw themselves overpaying a FA. IF...you do it WELL.. it can be great.. but it's a minefield and a mistake can kill you. If you suck.. go with the tank, cheap roster. If you are halfway up the ladder...fall off is over-rated. I've seen threads say the Pacers should do bad deals, get sucky,and tank? WTF? George will return and they are then good again.
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Post#49 » by eagle13 » Mon Sep 8, 2014 6:51 pm

friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE) 

Post#50 » by TrueStoryGSW » Mon Sep 8, 2014 7:17 pm

I like it, but i doubt our fo gonna touch this even tho they should.

Curry/Livingston
Klay/Barbosa
Iguodala/Barnes
Green/Ersan
Bogut/Zaza/Festus

Looks pretty good to me. We'd miss some of DLee's inside scoring, but that spacing and defense. :o
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Post#51 » by InWestWeTrust » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:04 am

eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER


I wouldnt mind it but I dont think we have a 2nd rounder to give up for awhile

Maybe a few pieces from each team could be added instead.

And how is the health of Ersan and Zaza?
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Post#52 » by ChuckDurn » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:45 am

InWestWeTrust wrote:
eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER


I wouldnt mind it but I dont think we have a 2nd rounder to give up for awhile

Maybe a few pieces from each team could be added instead.

And how is the health of Ersan and Zaza?

I agree..... We have no second round pick until 2019, and would have no problem substituting either Kuzmic or Nedovic for that part of the trade.

Quick note to the OP: Lee averaged over 18 ppg last year..... you picked up his career averages (including his first 3 years which were much lower than the last 6 across-the-board).

Reasons I would do this deal:
- Ilyasova is not as good as Lee, but is still very talented, and can be a very effective stretch 4. I agree that he should revert back to 2012-13 form; the second half of 2013-14 (when he was healthy) was very similar to that, after a horrible start to the year.
- Pachulia would be a very good back-up center, and I think would be great (relatively speaking) operating out of the triangle. He averaged 2.6 assists/game last year, which is pretty darn good for a center. Between he and Ezeli, we would have a great set of back-ups to Bogut - if you need offense, put in Pachulia, if you need defense, put in Ezeli. Completely solves the depth problem at center.
- Saves us $2M+/year, and even more if we are able to include Kuzmic or Nedovic
- In addition to saving money, it creates a nice salary gradient for the Warriors in considering future trades. Most of the team is $10M+/year, or $3M and below. It makes it tough to find the right match of talent and value to make trades. Both guys are tradeable in the future, and at reasonable salaries / contract lengths (Ilyasova's 2016-17 contract isn't guaranteed, so effectively they both run out in 2016 if desired - same as Lee).
- Getting a future #1 is always a good thing, it really helps in constructing trades. Unfortunately, it's not unprotected, so it may defer to a future year beyond 2017, which ever so slightly reduces its value, but still, getting the pick is good.

Long story short, we'd be trading the best player in the deal, but getting a solid stretch 4, a good back-up center, slightly reducing our salary, and improving our future trade options. That's worth it to me.
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Post#53 » by nate2005dubs » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:17 am

eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER

Just a side note: Lee is a great passer and arguably in the conversation for top 5/10 passing big men (4/5) in the NBA.
I think that's actually a fair trade. However I just think it wouldn't be a great idea for us as it would hurt our chemistry for at least 6 months. I don't think Ilyasova is a much better stretch 4 than Green if he improves as expected. Also, I'm still not convinced we need another backup C who won't be much better than Ezeli (better scoring but worse rebounding and defense).


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Post#54 » by Mylie10 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:31 am

Just to be clear David Lee was at 18.2 points per and 9.3 rebounds in 2013/14....not 15 and 10....that's career totals....probably makes more sense to use the most latest averages when talking trades.

Something about Ersan bugs me... I don't think he's a winner. I've always thought Zaza was under rated.

Stick with Lee for now. Unless a trade knocks us over.
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Post#55 » by Onus » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:57 pm

eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER


I would probably do it ... but this kills any chance at 2016 FA (KD)
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Post#56 » by nate2005dubs » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:37 pm

Onus wrote:
eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER


I would probably do it ... but this kills any chance at 2016 FA (KD)

How? They expire at the same time as Lee if we take into account the team option on Ilyasova.


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Post#57 » by Onus » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:42 pm

nate2005dubs wrote:
Onus wrote:
eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER


I would probably do it ... but this kills any chance at 2016 FA (KD)

How? They expire at the same time as Lee if we take into account the team option on Ilyasova.


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Post#58 » by californiadude » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:09 pm

eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER



I think all of us W's fans like this quite a bit. Post it on the main trade forums and see what the other bucks fans say. From what I've seen on here they can be a little delusional (no offense). I'm not really sure what's in it for the bucks though. They already have jabari to play the 4 right? It might make more sense to ship lee off to NO and get Eric Gordon and maybe a pick back.
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Post#59 » by InWestWeTrust » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:00 pm

californiadude wrote:
eagle13 wrote:friendly Bucks fan here – any interest in

David Lee, 2nd - for - Ersan Illysova, Zaza Pachulia, 2017 1st(Clips)

Zaza – 30 years old – thick size and decent man-on defender – good chemistry guy
2013/4 – 21mpg – 7ppg- 6rpg – 846 ft%

Ersan – 27 years old - has always hustled on D - scrappy rebounder – decent passer
was nagged by injuries all last year – is healthy now – should return to 2012 form
2013/4- 27mpg - 11ppg- 6rpg – 282 3pt% - 486TS% - 13.9PER
2012/3- 28mpg - 13ppg- 7rpg – 482 3pt% - 552TS% - 18.5PER

Lee –- 31 years old – mediocre D – good rebounder - decent passer
2013/4 - 33mpg- 15ppg- 10rpg – 038 3pt% - 566TS% – 19PER



I think all of us W's fans like this quite a bit. Post it on the main trade forums and see what the other bucks fans say. From what I've seen on here they can be a little delusional (no offense). I'm not really sure what's in it for the bucks though. They already have jabari to play the 4 right? It might make more sense to ship lee off to NO and get Eric Gordon and maybe a pick back.


With Asik and Davis, that would make even less sense. I don't know what the bucks plans are or what the roster looks like right now. Im sure they could work something out to make everyone happy.
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Post#60 » by old rem » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:43 am

Mylie10 wrote:Just to be clear David Lee was at 18.2 points per and 9.3 rebounds in 2013/14....not 15 and 10....that's career totals....probably makes more sense to use the most latest averages when talking trades.

Something about Ersan bugs me... I don't think he's a winner. I've always thought Zaza was under rated.

Stick with Lee for now. Unless a trade knocks us over.


GSW is not deep in scorers and Lee is the only big who scores much..and only F who scores much. He also boards WAY better than Illy. I'd agree Zaza is under-rated burt still..he's at best a decent backup. If Festus is healthy, I'd as soon have him + Speights. A late '17 is too little and too late to justify hurting our hopes NOW.

I'm surprised anyone liked that one. On a decent team, Illy is a backup. If he's starting..you ain't going far.
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