American Hustle - The Draymond Green Thread

[NBAfan3024]

The fact teams know with the new cap and the fact GS will say they will match I bet you alot of teams will not waste their time offering him a big deal.

[B-King]

The fact teams know with the new cap and the fact GS will say they will match I bet you alot of teams will not waste their time offering him a big deal.

I think the exception is the Pistons. Sign him early to a big deal and see what happens. He has added value as a hometown hero and even if the Warriors match it is good PR for them in trying to get him.

Imagine if the Pistons came at the Warriors in a sign and trade deal where we get Monroe and give up Green & Lee.

Also the Warriors have done the same in the past with Jordan.

[migya]

The fact teams know with the new cap and the fact GS will say they will match I bet you alot of teams will not waste their time offering him a big deal.

I think the exception is the Pistons. Sign him early to a big deal and see what happens. He has added value as a hometown hero and even if the Warriors match it is good PR for them in trying to get him.

Imagine if the Pistons came at the Warriors in a sign and trade deal where we get Monroe and give up Green & Lee.

Also the Warriors have done the same in the past with Jordan.

Monroe is another Lee type. Hold on to Green at all costs with how he and the team have played this season.

[marthafokker]

they would definitely match 12 mil/year.

4 and $60 then.

Celts should go get Whiteside with that money. Celts need a center and this one is available.

Plus, don't know if Heats want to get another max contract as a RFA with 3 already on the book.

[Kuya]

Draymond isn't going anywhere unless we get a stud back. He has the value of a Ron Artest prime.

[whocurrz]

Diamond Leung quoted Mychal Thompson saying Warriors will match whatever offer. I wonder if they're trying to do what the Suns did with Bledsoe. Basically say they'll match anything and no one made that max offer he wanted. Ended up getting him a bit cheaper than the max

[azwfan]

Do you guys think Draymond would be better long term as our starting SF or starting PF? That is... after we resign him, should we be looking for a SF of the future or a PF of the future.

I think he his offensive game is more like a SF (no post game at all, can shoot a bit, can handle the ball, decent passer). Defensively he can guard anyone, but i'd prefer him on SF if we had another competent defensive PF.

[Coxy]

Draymond isn't going anywhere unless we get a stud back. He has the value of a Ron Artest prime.

Pretty decent comparison. The year he won DPOY in Indy.

[and1GS]

Do you guys think Draymond would be better long term as our starting SF or starting PF? That is... after we resign him, should we be looking for a SF of the future or a PF of the future.

I think he his offensive game is more like a SF (no post game at all, can shoot a bit, can handle the ball, decent passer). Defensively he can guard anyone, but i'd prefer him on SF if we had another competent defensive PF.

Unless his shooting drastically improves/becomes more consistent, I think he's a 4 in today's NBA. PFs now tend to just excel in one thing, they're the spare part, which means he won't be going up against Z-Bo and LMA every night, allowing us to have a floor spreader at the 3.

I honestly think our 5 is set except for maybe Bogut who, as much as it pains me to say this, might need to be shown the door for DeAndre Jordan. The key will come in re-tooling the bench. Get a Taj Gibson behind Draymond instead of David lee and you're never going to be worried about size.

[Coxy]

I honestly think our 5 is set except for maybe Bogut who, as much as it pains me to say this, might need to be shown the door for Nikola Vucevic.

Fixed.

[The-Power]

Do you guys think Draymond would be better long term as our starting SF or starting PF? That is... after we resign him, should we be looking for a SF of the future or a PF of the future.

I think he his offensive game is more like a SF (no post game at all, can shoot a bit, can handle the ball, decent passer). Defensively he can guard anyone, but i'd prefer him on SF if we had another competent defensive PF.

Draymond Green is a PF, best suited to play this position on both sides.

On offense, he can stretch the floor more effectively and gets more clean looks guarded by opposing PFs, he can play some Pick n' Pop with Steph and as a high distributer he forces a big men to go out of the paint which creates more space inside. Nothing is better than having a great defensive 4 who's able to stretch the floor with his shooting. In this case, I wouldn't even think about adding anyone else to replace this guy at his position.

On defense, we lose impact in case we want him to be a perimeter defender primarily. The reason why he's so effective is because he either he plays inside most of the time and closes out to shooters quickly - double-impact, if you want to - or he bothers opponents by interrupting PnR's with PFs or he's providing help defense if necessary. I also value his inside defense more than his perimeter defense for mainly three reasons. First, we're at our best when he can see the defense from behind, when he can be vocal and when he can decide how to react to opponents offensive sets. Second, he's quite good at protecting the rim which is usually more valuable than perimeter defense. Third, he's the type of guy who rather bangs with big bodies than chasing athletic SFs all the time. It's also more problematic to find a stretch-4 - which we need - with good defense - which we need as well - than a decent defender with some offensive game at the SF spot.

Dray is our PF of the future, that's pretty clear to me.

[likashing]

I would be most concerned with a one year deal.

Not going to happen unless he wants to take on some huge risk of not being injured. He made maybe ~$1M after tax in 3 years not including his/his families spending? This is the Bay Area. After his spending this 3 seasons he probably can't afford a place in the worst part of Oakland...

He is not like the typical high-mid 1st round pick who got paid 3-4 years who have already made ~$10M gross before hitting RFA.

If he or his agent is smart, he should be taking the biggest 3-4 year contract available (or 5 years from us) and get a player option so he can opt out for another big contract if his value gets higher in the future.

He can get an offer similar to Parsons or drag on like Bledsoe, but I just don't see him doing what Monroe did (Monroe already grossed $13M in 4 seasons). If he does, he is really dumb or he just feels lucky.

[Left*My*Heart]

The fact teams know with the new cap and the fact GS will say they will match I bet you alot of teams will not waste their time offering him a big deal.

I think the exception is the Pistons. Sign him early to a big deal and see what happens. He has added value as a hometown hero and even if the Warriors match it is good PR for them in trying to get him.

Imagine if the Pistons came at the Warriors in a sign and trade deal where we get Monroe and give up Green & Lee.

Also the Warriors have done the same in the past with Jordan.

You sure overvalue Monroe; as he isn't even equal to Green in value and that isn't worth getting rid of Lee either.

[MadMorf]

i was really hoping draymond could average 1.5 threes, steals and blocks for the season but he'd have to get 2.25 blocks per game the rest of the way to get up to 1.5 blocks from 1.3. still a fantasy beast though

[TaylorMonkey]

The fact teams know with the new cap and the fact GS will say they will match I bet you alot of teams will not waste their time offering him a big deal.

I think the exception is the Pistons. Sign him early to a big deal and see what happens. He has added value as a hometown hero and even if the Warriors match it is good PR for them in trying to get him.

Imagine if the Pistons came at the Warriors in a sign and trade deal where we get Monroe and give up Green & Lee.

Also the Warriors have done the same in the past with Jordan.

Monroe for Green and & Lee would be horrible. Just as horrible for Green alone.

[and1GS]

I honestly think our 5 is set except for maybe Bogut who, as much as it pains me to say this, might need to be shown the door for Nikola Vucevic.

Fixed.

Is he even a FA this offseason? Know DeAndre is.

[azwfan]

Do you guys think Draymond would be better long term as our starting SF or starting PF? That is... after we resign him, should we be looking for a SF of the future or a PF of the future.

I think he his offensive game is more like a SF (no post game at all, can shoot a bit, can handle the ball, decent passer). Defensively he can guard anyone, but i'd prefer him on SF if we had another competent defensive PF.

Draymond Green is a PF, best suited to play this position on both sides.

On offense, he can stretch the floor more effectively and gets more clean looks guarded by opposing PFs, he can play some Pick n' Pop with Steph and as a high distributer he forces a big men to go out of the paint which creates more space inside. Nothing is better than having a great defensive 4 who's able to stretch the floor with his shooting. In this case, I wouldn't even think about adding anyone else to replace this guy at his position.

On defense, we lose impact in case we want him to be a perimeter defender primarily. The reason why he's so effective is because he either he plays inside most of the time and closes out to shooters quickly - double-impact, if you want to - or he bothers opponents by interrupting PnR's with PFs or he's providing help defense if necessary. I also value his inside defense more than his perimeter defense for mainly three reasons. First, we're at our best when he can see the defense from behind, when he can be vocal and when he can decide how to react to opponents offensive sets. Second, he's quite good at protecting the rim which is usually more valuable than perimeter defense. Third, he's the type of guy who rather bangs with big bodies than chasing athletic SFs all the time. It's also more problematic to find a stretch-4 - which we need - with good defense - which we need as well - than a decent defender with some offensive game at the SF spot.

Dray is our PF of the future, that's pretty clear to me.

You convinced me. He's our PF.

[old rem]

The fact teams know with the new cap and the fact GS will say they will match I bet you alot of teams will not waste their time offering him a big deal.

I think the exception is the Pistons. Sign him early to a big deal and see what happens. He has added value as a hometown hero and even if the Warriors match it is good PR for them in trying to get him.

Imagine if the Pistons came at the Warriors in a sign and trade deal where we get Monroe and give up Green & Lee.

Also the Warriors have done the same in the past with Jordan.[/quote Dray is a bit of an "odd' thing.. a multitasker and a "tweener " who does not have big NUMBERS] I can't guess who pays Dray a Max of about $15 mill. I think about $10-12 mill is about what happens. Would GSW match MAX? Well.....maybe. Would Detroit bid Max? not likely.
Detroit can't spend big on what may be a "system" guy when it's not THEIR system. Detroit needs a legit shoot + score guy.

[Coxy]

I honestly think our 5 is set except for maybe Bogut who, as much as it pains me to say this, might need to be shown the door for Nikola Vucevic.

Fixed.

Is he even a FA this offseason? Know DeAndre is.

Nah, just wishful thinking.

[East Bay Sports]

Draymond just gets better from game to game. The way he is pushing the ball lately and really pressuring defenses is great to see.