Barnes contract extension

ChuckDurn · Post #61 » by **ChuckDurn** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:56 pm

If you can get Barnes to extend for something like 4 years/$50M (starting in 2016-17), you have to seriously consider it. Not only is the cap jumping $20M in 2016, it's jumping another $20M in 2017. A deal that averages $12-13M in that higher cap level is similar to one that's about $8M now.

Even if Barnes isn't a great value for us (and I think he would be a good value), he'd be eminently tradeable at that rate, particularly in a sign-and-trade for Durant.

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WarFan · Post #62 » by **WarFan** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:13 am

Reality is that GS won't have cap room next summer w/o doing a few deals to drop salary, so I'd prefer to extend Barnes and Ezeli now before they get stupid offers next year. 4/52 for Barnes and 4/32 for Ezeli if they can get either to agree to them now.

WarFan · Post #63 » by **WarFan** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:17 am

Oh, and lmao at the Reggie Jackson talk. Dude is much closer to a bottom 10 starting PG than top 10.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #64 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:53 pm

AliG1488 wrote:
Warriors Analyst wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:The box score tells me I watched him play for 681 minutes in the playoffs, yet I don't even remember watching him play.

-He can't score
-He can't handle the ball
-He can't defend an elite small forward

He's does a solid job at hitting open 3 pointers and he seems like a good guy. I'd give him $18/3.

If Harrison Barnes had come out of the D-League there is no way in hell he'd be coming close to sniffing $10 million a year. I cringe at paying him 8 digits. His production is pretty easy to replace if Looney can give the Warriors 10-15 minutes a game the power forward by next season.

You 2 are out of your MINDS. Carroll just got 15m/year and he's like 26....I'd take a 22 year old HB who I think compares favorably, is much more athletic, much higher ceiling, I think HB could be a 20 ppg scorer on good pct's in a 1-2 yrs on a team where he could be a 2nd/3rd option.

He's a perfect fit for our style of play, plays great D, has range, has been agressive off the dribble when it was needed, perfect small ball-4, great fit with curry/klay/draymond...just won a f'n TITLE...and you guys are saying he should get HALF of what the going rate for a solid swing man is....crazy....I'd be very happy to lock him up at 12-14M per yr for 5 yrs

Take it easy, he just got owned by LeBron in the Final. Pretty sure LeBron had a higher PPP against Barnes than Curry.

And LOL at Barnes being a 20 point scorer. He's spoon feed by Curry and barely gets 10, and anyone who has watched Barnes over the last three years knows he can't create his own shot.

Based off of the $110,000,000 cap, I'd say he's worth $8,000,000 a year.
Based off of the $90,000,000 cap, I'd say he's worth $6,500,000 a year.
Based off of the $70,000,000 cap, I'd say he's worth $5,000,000 a year.

He's young and he seems like a good guy, so I guess he could get more. In the end he's not much better than Jae Crowder, who just got $35/5. Assuming the cap goes up to 110, I'd give him $40-45/5.

OptionZero · Post #65 » by **OptionZero** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:45 pm

Jae Crowder, seriously? He can't shoot.

Barnes was over 40% regular season from the arc. He isn't Iggy on defense obviously but he is long, he is strong, and he's athletic. He needs to improve his technique, but the effort is there. He put his body on Randolph, even Gasol at times, against Tristan Thompson and Mozgov. Dude put in work, don't be dissing him with a Crowder compare. Crowder is strictly hustle energy guy, he's not that skilled.

Barnes needs to be consistently aggressive, that's his main drawback. He fits in perfectly.

$5M in the context of the $70M cap is less than the MLE, which is supposed to be roughly what an average starter is worth. Barnes was a perfect fit in a title team's starting lineup and played the 3 and the 4 for us. The market will value him at $10M easily. Frickin Marvin Williams got $7M and he hasn't done jack.

The question is whether Barnes is worth $10-15M TO THE WARRIORS going forward. The answer is less clear, since we don't know how good other options (i.e. Durant) will pan out.

weekend_warrior · Post #66 » by **weekend_warrior** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:20 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Based off of the $70,000,000 cap, I'd say he's worth $5,000,000 a year.

Guys like Kyle Singler earn $5,000,000 next year under the $70,000,000 cap. Or Jerebko, Kaman, Budinger. 10 mpg rotation players on much weaker teams. Your evaluation is so off that it seems just hopeless.

Warriorfan · Post #67 » by **Warriorfan** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:59 pm

I think the warriors have a plan for next seasons cap. A salary just north of his 9 mil cap hold still makes it possible for a max offer.

cpower · Post #68 » by **cpower** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:07 pm

OptionZero wrote:Jae Crowder, seriously? He can't shoot.

Barnes was over 40% regular season from the arc. He isn't Iggy on defense obviously but he is long, he is strong, and he's athletic. He needs to improve his technique, but the effort is there. He put his body on Randolph, even Gasol at times, against Tristan Thompson and Mozgov. Dude put in work, don't be dissing him with a Crowder compare. Crowder is strictly hustle energy guy, he's not that skilled.

Barnes needs to be consistently aggressive, that's his main drawback. He fits in perfectly.

$5M in the context of the $70M cap is less than the MLE, which is supposed to be roughly what an average starter is worth. Barnes was a perfect fit in a title team's starting lineup and played the 3 and the 4 for us. The market will value him at $10M easily. Frickin Marvin Williams got $7M and he hasn't done jack.

The question is whether Barnes is worth $10-15M TO THE WARRIORS going forward. The answer is less clear, since we don't know how good other options (i.e. Durant) will pan out.

Jae Crowder will make more impact than Barnes on the court. Crowder would be the 3D guy we want if he keeps improving his 3 point shooting. Barnes on the other hand, has all the tools to be great but continue to struggle throughout the playoffs. very disappointing to be honest.

Post #69 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:23 pm

I think he's better than Crowder, but citing players who are even overpaid at 5m doesnt really make Barnes any better. He was 7th (8th if you count Lee) in WS/min (.139) in the regular season out of rotation players behind Barbaro (.137), Iguodala (.117) and Livingston (.107) despite being in the starting lineup and having the most ideal situation of any other W's player. In the playoffs, he was 9th in the same category (including Lee) and again only barely ahead of Barbaro (.115 to .113) and the only other semi-rotational player he beat was Speights, who was anchored to the bench most of the time.

That's not to recognize that he had several big plays, but at what point can we actually evaluate his entire body of work and say: for all the Harrison Barnes hype, he's brought so very little to the table consistently? He's extremely fortunate he plays on a team that has so many good players, because there's no way in hell he's a 20ppg player on a bad team. He'd likely get benched on a bad team, since he can't create for himself, isn't an impact defender, and really depends on others to set him up

NBAfan3024 · Post #70 » by **NBAfan3024** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:36 pm

What's his value ?

Post #71 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:43 pm

I'd extend him at anywhere between 9-11m, not because he deserves it, but because finding a replacement will be a challenge considering cap limitations. I dont know where we will be on the cap spectrum next year, but if we can extend Ezeli and still have 10m in cap to play with, then no extension unless its very favorable. If we can't, use our bird rights on Barnes and bet on continuity.

Onus · Post #72 » by **Onus** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:06 pm

I really hope we get something for Barnes and we don't extend him, now that we got a real back up 4. I'd rather easily take Hollis Thompson, Robert Covington, Doug McDermott, Rodney Hood over him.

Left*My*Heart · Post #73 » by **Left*My*Heart** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:31 pm

I wouldn't extend him and look at deals at the deadline or this off season via a S&T. Give Looney a season to mature and then make a trade for need.

old rem · Post #74 » by **old rem** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:29 pm

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:In a market where Reggie Jackson gets $16m a year, I don't begin to think I understand what anyone is worth anymore.

Teah. Figure soon Curry + Durantmake about $30 mill a year EACH. Even with a higher cap and Lux line.. there ARE limits.

Warriorfan · Post #75 » by **Warriorfan** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:46 pm

old rem wrote:
Chris Porter's Hair wrote:In a market where Reggie Jackson gets $16m a year, I don't begin to think I understand what anyone is worth anymore.
Teah. Figure soon Curry + Durantmake about $30 mill a year EACH. Even with a higher cap and Lux line.. there ARE limits.

In terms of value a superstar at 30 mil has far more value in team play and off the court marketing dollars than an average player at the current max 16 mil.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #76 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:56 pm

weekend_warrior wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Based off of the $70,000,000 cap, I'd say he's worth $5,000,000 a year.

Guys like Kyle Singler earn $5,000,000 next year under the $70,000,000 cap. Or Jerebko, Kaman, Budinger. 10 mpg rotation players on much weaker teams. Your evaluation is so off that it seems just hopeless.

Singler is getting that with the new cap in mind. With the 100+ cap coming I would pay Barnes around $8,000,000.

Kawai Leonard got 19.0
Jimmy Butler got 19.0
Wes Matthews got 17.5
Draymond Green got 16.4
Tobias Harris got 16.0
Khris Middleton got 14.0
Thaddeus Young got 12.5
Amir Johnson got 12.0
Danny Green got 11.25
Iman Shumpert got 10.0
Corey Brewer got 8.0
Arron Afflalo got 8.0
Cory Joseph got 7.5
Jae Crowder got 7.0
Ed Davis got 6.7
Marco Belinelli got 6.3
Brandon Wright got 6.0
Kyle SIngler got 5.0
Mike Dunleavy got 4.8

He's a 4th option on offense and he plays average defense. His potential is limited because he can't create. $8,000,000 a year is a lot of money... but his age, professionalism, and brand will likely get him a little more.

Onus · Post #77 » by **Onus** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:58 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
weekend_warrior wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Based off of the $70,000,000 cap, I'd say he's worth $5,000,000 a year.

Guys like Kyle Singler earn $5,000,000 next year under the $70,000,000 cap. Or Jerebko, Kaman, Budinger. 10 mpg rotation players on much weaker teams. Your evaluation is so off that it seems just hopeless.

Singler is getting that with the new cap in mind. With the 100+ cap coming I would pay Barnes around $8,000,000.

Kawai Leonard got 19.0
Jimmy Butler got 19.0
Wes Matthews got 17.5
Draymond Green got 16.4
Tobias Harris got 16.0
Khris Middleton got 14.0
Thaddeus Young got 12.5
Amir Johnson got 12.0
Danny Green got 11.25
Iman Shumpert got 10.0
Corey Brewer got 8.0
Arron Afflalo got 8.0
Cory Joseph got 7.5
Jae Crowder got 7.0
Ed Davis got 6.7
Marco Belinelli got 6.3
Brandon Wright got 6.0
Kyle SIngler got 5.0
Mike Dunleavy got 4.8

He's a 4th option on offense and he plays average defense. His potential is limited because he can't create. $8,000,000 a year is a lot of money... but his age, professionalism, and brand will likely get him a little more.

Based on this year's FA I'd agree that Barnes fits in at that 8M range.

bakesale · Post #78 » by **bakesale** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:27 pm

FNQ wrote:
East Bay Sports wrote:Absolutely no reason to extend Barnes before the season. Wait and see if he shows more improvement, if not there is 0% chance he is worth what he winds up getting paid summer 2016. Plus, Durant,flexibility, ect.

First off OP - thread title a bit misleading. I thought we extended him already

But I think there's a great reason to extend him now - the cap jump. If you think he's overpaid now, imagine him with a cap spike.. Bite the bullet now and get the discount. Then you have potential trade value in a market flooded by enormous contracts.. A guy whos 24 with potential is going to be a lot more attractive than vet role players and box score stars making 15-20m. Do it now for his confidence and be ready to shop next offseason

aren't we in severe luxury tax if we sign him now?? Wasn't that the whole point for being so keen to get rid of Lee??

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ChuckDurn · Post #79 » by **ChuckDurn** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:44 pm

bakesale wrote:
FNQ wrote:
East Bay Sports wrote:Absolutely no reason to extend Barnes before the season. Wait and see if he shows more improvement, if not there is 0% chance he is worth what he winds up getting paid summer 2016. Plus, Durant,flexibility, ect.

First off OP - thread title a bit misleading. I thought we extended him already

But I think there's a great reason to extend him now - the cap jump. If you think he's overpaid now, imagine him with a cap spike.. Bite the bullet now and get the discount. Then you have potential trade value in a market flooded by enormous contracts.. A guy whos 24 with potential is going to be a lot more attractive than vet role players and box score stars making 15-20m. Do it now for his confidence and be ready to shop next offseason
aren't we in severe luxury tax if we sign him now?? Wasn't that the whole point for being so keen to get rid of Lee??

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No, Barnes' new deal (extension) wouldn't start until the 2016-17.... Similar to how Klay's extension signed in 2014 starts this upcoming season. Barnes' 2015-16 salary is locked in based on his rookie contract.

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bakesale · Post #80 » by **bakesale** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:48 am

Onus wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
weekend_warrior wrote:
Guys like Kyle Singler earn $5,000,000 next year under the $70,000,000 cap. Or Jerebko, Kaman, Budinger. 10 mpg rotation players on much weaker teams. Your evaluation is so off that it seems just hopeless.

Singler is getting that with the new cap in mind. With the 100+ cap coming I would pay Barnes around $8,000,000.

Kawai Leonard got 19.0
Jimmy Butler got 19.0
Wes Matthews got 17.5
Draymond Green got 16.4
Tobias Harris got 16.0
Khris Middleton got 14.0
Thaddeus Young got 12.5
Amir Johnson got 12.0
Danny Green got 11.25
Iman Shumpert got 10.0
Corey Brewer got 8.0
Arron Afflalo got 8.0
Cory Joseph got 7.5
Jae Crowder got 7.0
Ed Davis got 6.7
Marco Belinelli got 6.3
Brandon Wright got 6.0
Kyle SIngler got 5.0
Mike Dunleavy got 4.8

He's a 4th option on offense and he plays average defense. His potential is limited because he can't create. $8,000,000 a year is a lot of money... but his age, professionalism, and brand will likely get him a little more.

Based on this year's FA I'd agree that Barnes fits in at that 8M range.

Amir is often injured and is only good at defence.
Danny Green is a solid 3 and d guy but is 4 years older than Barnes. Barnes is only just beginning to expand his offensive repertoire, imagine Barnes in 4 years time and compare that to Danny Green...
Iman Shumpert is a solid defender and does not much else. His offensive numbers are pretty average to below average for the most part. And doesn't look like he can expand upon what he already has.

Barnes is younger than all of those guys and still has plenty of upside to fulfil. Based on that, I think he's worth more than at least the guys I've listed above.