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BR0D1E86 wrote:Here's my position: Jay Cutler isn't worth even close to that much money. And giving it to him means we don't have it to reinvest in our defense.
Red-Bulls83 wrote:BR0D1E86 wrote:Here's my position: Jay Cutler isn't worth even close to that much money. And giving it to him means we don't have it to reinvest in our defense.
That's faulty logic, because Cutler's contract isn't going to prevent Emery from rebuilding the defense. There is still the draft and the Bears will still have cap space sign another piece or two.
Red-Bulls83 wrote:BR0D1E86 wrote:Here's my position: Jay Cutler isn't worth even close to that much money. And giving it to him means we don't have it to reinvest in our defense.
That's faulty logic, because Cutler's contract isn't going to prevent Emery from rebuilding the defense. There is still the draft and the Bears will still have cap space sign another piece or two.
BR0D1E86 wrote:It's not faulty logic. Giving Cutler 18 million dollars means you have less money to spend on your defense, period. My choice plan, if Cutler demanded this much money, was to let him walk, bring in Mccown for 3 years at 4-5 per and draft a guy. Then take that 15 million you didn't give to Cutler and buy yourself a pass rusher. I think it's a wiser allocation of resources.
I certainly hope that Trestman's coaching gets Cutler to play up to his level of pay. He's paid like a guy who carries his team deep into the playoffs every year, not a guy that's played in two playoff games, completing 50% of his passes with more turnovers than touchdowns. If he buys in and plays to the offense like Mccown did, his superior physical gifts could make him elite. But in my eyes you're paying for potential and the guy's 30. It's just not what I would have done.
BR0D1E86 wrote:Red-Bulls83 wrote:BR0D1E86 wrote:Here's my position: Jay Cutler isn't worth even close to that much money. And giving it to him means we don't have it to reinvest in our defense.
That's faulty logic, because Cutler's contract isn't going to prevent Emery from rebuilding the defense. There is still the draft and the Bears will still have cap space sign another piece or two.
It's not faulty logic. Giving Cutler 18 million dollars means you have less money to spend on your defense, period. My choice plan, if Cutler demanded this much money, was to let him walk, bring in Mccown for 3 years at 4-5 per and draft a guy. Then take that 15 million you didn't give to Cutler and buy yourself a pass rusher. I think it's a wiser allocation of resources.
I certainly hope that Trestman's coaching gets Cutler to play up to his level of pay. He's paid like a guy who carries his team deep into the playoffs every year, not a guy that's played in two playoff games, completing 50% of his passes with more turnovers than touchdowns. If he buys in and plays to the offense like Mccown did, his superior physical gifts could make him elite. But in my eyes you're paying for potential and the guy's 30. It's just not what I would have done.
Red-Bulls83 wrote:BR0D1E86 wrote:It's not faulty logic. Giving Cutler 18 million dollars means you have less money to spend on your defense, period. My choice plan, if Cutler demanded this much money, was to let him walk, bring in Mccown for 3 years at 4-5 per and draft a guy. Then take that 15 million you didn't give to Cutler and buy yourself a pass rusher. I think it's a wiser allocation of resources.
I certainly hope that Trestman's coaching gets Cutler to play up to his level of pay. He's paid like a guy who carries his team deep into the playoffs every year, not a guy that's played in two playoff games, completing 50% of his passes with more turnovers than touchdowns. If he buys in and plays to the offense like Mccown did, his superior physical gifts could make him elite. But in my eyes you're paying for potential and the guy's 30. It's just not what I would have done.
Of course it's faulty. Again, Cutler's contract is not preventing the defense from getting better. Look at other teams that are paying their QB's around the same as Cutler and their defenses are not all as bad as the Bears.
Please give me a **** break with this Mccown nonsense. Guy plays out of his mind for like 6 games and certain Bears fans want get rid of a starting QB for him? The guy is 34 years old. A career 70's passer rating and for his career before this year had more INT than TDs. On top of that Mccown is already talking about possibly retiring and you think he would be a viable option for 3 years? And then there is no guarantee that you even draft a QB that is going to be as good as Cutler. It a very risky move that likely could leave the Bears where they were before Cutler got here. No stability at the QB position. Why break the offense when that is your strength? And why depend on a career back up to begin with?
As for the playoff thing, See Romo, Stafford, Matt Ryan, Schaub ect. Those guys haven't played many playoff games either. Fact is, starting QB's are just paid this much. Yes Cutler is over paid, but like I said earlier, so is every other QB that isn't on a rookie contract except for Brady, P. Manning, Brees and Rodgers. I wish the Bears would have signed Cutler for about 5 million a year less, but they didn't. But again, it does not prevent them from making the defense better. And in the end, that's really what matters.
BR0D1E86 wrote:Red-Bulls83 wrote:BR0D1E86 wrote:It's not faulty logic. Giving Cutler 18 million dollars means you have less money to spend on your defense, period. My choice plan, if Cutler demanded this much money, was to let him walk, bring in Mccown for 3 years at 4-5 per and draft a guy. Then take that 15 million you didn't give to Cutler and buy yourself a pass rusher. I think it's a wiser allocation of resources.
I certainly hope that Trestman's coaching gets Cutler to play up to his level of pay. He's paid like a guy who carries his team deep into the playoffs every year, not a guy that's played in two playoff games, completing 50% of his passes with more turnovers than touchdowns. If he buys in and plays to the offense like Mccown did, his superior physical gifts could make him elite. But in my eyes you're paying for potential and the guy's 30. It's just not what I would have done.
Of course it's faulty. Again, Cutler's contract is not preventing the defense from getting better. Look at other teams that are paying their QB's around the same as Cutler and their defenses are not all as bad as the Bears.
Please give me a **** break with this Mccown nonsense. Guy plays out of his mind for like 6 games and certain Bears fans want get rid of a starting QB for him? The guy is 34 years old. A career 70's passer rating and for his career before this year had more INT than TDs. On top of that Mccown is already talking about possibly retiring and you think he would be a viable option for 3 years? And then there is no guarantee that you even draft a QB that is going to be as good as Cutler. It a very risky move that likely could leave the Bears where they were before Cutler got here. No stability at the QB position. Why break the offense when that is your strength? And why depend on a career back up to begin with?
As for the playoff thing, See Romo, Stafford, Matt Ryan, Schaub ect. Those guys haven't played many playoff games either. Fact is, starting QB's are just paid this much. Yes Cutler is over paid, but like I said earlier, so is every other QB that isn't on a rookie contract except for Brady, P. Manning, Brees and Rodgers. I wish the Bears would have signed Cutler for about 5 million a year less, but they didn't. But again, it does not prevent them from making the defense better. And in the end, that's really what matters.
Your argument is "well they can make the defense better anyway." Of course they can. It's just going to be a lot harder now that they're paying a guy who has never played better than he 12th to 15th best quarterback in the league like he's Peyton Manning.
If he immediately cuts his interception rate in half and stops getting hurt for a third of every season it's not a bad deal. I'm not betting on a 30 old doing it.
Cutler signed a $126.7 million, seven-year contract that includes $54 million guaranteed. His base salary for 2014 is $22.5 million, meaning his salary-cap number is identical. But the team can convert a portion of that base salary to a signing bonus at any time, money that would be prorated over the life of the contract, thus lowering his cap hit for this season.
A veteran player or two could be shed to open up more cap space and the Bears can rework Cutler's cap number or the $5.25 million cap number Jennings carries in 2014 (or any of the other contracts) to create additional space. Basically, it sets up a use-as-you-go situation, one the team also could exercise in future years. The best part of it is the flexibility it gives the team. It doesn't mean the Bears will exercise the clause, but if a need arises in the unrestricted free-agent market, cap room can be created.
Red-Bulls83 wrote:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/Cutler signed a $126.7 million, seven-year contract that includes $54 million guaranteed. His base salary for 2014 is $22.5 million, meaning his salary-cap number is identical. But the team can convert a portion of that base salary to a signing bonus at any time, money that would be prorated over the life of the contract, thus lowering his cap hit for this season.A veteran player or two could be shed to open up more cap space and the Bears can rework Cutler's cap number or the $5.25 million cap number Jennings carries in 2014 (or any of the other contracts) to create additional space. Basically, it sets up a use-as-you-go situation, one the team also could exercise in future years. The best part of it is the flexibility it gives the team. It doesn't mean the Bears will exercise the clause, but if a need arises in the unrestricted free-agent market, cap room can be created.
An interesting tidbit about Cutler contract. So with this provision included, it means that Cutler's contract (and the other player's they just re-signed) definitely won't prevent the Bears from signing any key defensive player's.
