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Post#101 » by heir_jordan22 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:26 pm

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And what was his strategy? Overpay on two or three guys so they can't address the other 7 or 8 needs?

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How would paying Gilmore stop him from picking up any of these other guys ?

He couldve picked up Gilmore and still had space to grab everyone else hes grabbing now.

the excuse you are trying to make for him does not really apply so this situation

If he grabbed jefferson and Gilmore they are 25 years old and he fills two major holes for the next 5 years instead he has Demps and Price who both may not be here next year and we are right back in the situation again ?

Going into the draft if you take a DB in the first rd then WR and OT are very much open to you in that scenario.

but even if you believe that Glennon has upside the question comes well why didnt Pace put any money besides helping him bring that talent to fruition .

You sign a starting tackle

You sign Alshon

If you dont want Alshon fine you grab another starting quality receiver for the guy to throw the ball too. Heck GO GET Pryor but this risk adverse philosophy has backfired right now .

I see what you are saying Chitown and I don't want to dismiss your view. Having said that, "missing out" on the top guys from a weak class on day 1 doesn't equate to a failed off-season. To start, I wouldn't count us out just yet on Pryor. Obtaining him along with Wheaton could actually give us an even stronger receiving core than what we've had considering the number of games that Jeffery was bound to miss.

Secondly, there is a ton of wheeling and dealing that could happen at the draft. For example, I've got my eye really close on the Titans and seeing what they want to do at the top of the draft. If they really like someone, they may be inclined to deal 5 and 18 to us for 3 and our third rounder. Not saying it WILL happen. But there are things like that out there that could still give us an opportunity to fill actual needs without shelling out a bunch of money that we may regret later on down the road.

Exactly.

The best signings of free agency are usually on days 2, 3, 4. That's when guys just as good as players who sign contracts on day 1, sign for about half the price.

Bouye and Gilmore are better than Amukamara. Jefferson is better than Demps (although I'd argue Demps is a better fit since he's a ballhawk and a veteran when we have all young safeties who are good tacklers. Jefferson would be the same type of guy as wveryone we already have just better.) But signing Glennon to 14.5, Gilmore to 14.5, Jefferson to 9 puts you at 38 million dollars used. Then the bears only have 24 million to get starters at DE, WR, OT; and key role players QB, WR, TE, RB, OLB, KR, OT and K. They would all be bottom of the barrel guys. Instead you spread the money and wait for the right guys to come to you.

Based in what you wanted wed have 11 glaring needs and 24 million to spend.

Based on what Pace has done we have 7 needs and about 30 million to spend (WR, DE, OT, QB, RB, OT, OLB). As things stand now we will probably take a starting WR, DE or OT in round 1 and backup QB in round 2.

Pace has send he wants to build through the draft. That means he expects the best players on the roster to come through the draft, not through big contract spending in free agency.

We're right where we need to be. We just have to wait and see if we can add at least two out of our 4 biggest needs (Starting WR, OT and DE, and development QB).

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#102 » by heir_jordan22 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:29 pm

Betta Bulleavit wrote:
chitownsports4ever wrote:
heir_jordan22 wrote:[
And what was his strategy? Overpay on two or three guys so they can't address the other 7 or 8 needs?

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How would paying Gilmore stop him from picking up any of these other guys ?

He couldve picked up Gilmore and still had space to grab everyone else hes grabbing now.

the excuse you are trying to make for him does not really apply so this situation

If he grabbed jefferson and Gilmore they are 25 years old and he fills two major holes for the next 5 years instead he has Demps and Price who both may not be here next year and we are right back in the situation again ?

Going into the draft if you take a DB in the first rd then WR and OT are very much open to you in that scenario.

but even if you believe that Glennon has upside the question comes well why didnt Pace put any money besides helping him bring that talent to fruition .

You sign a starting tackle

You sign Alshon

If you dont want Alshon fine you grab another starting quality receiver for the guy to throw the ball too. Heck GO GET Pryor but this risk adverse philosophy has backfired right now .

I see what you are saying Chitown and I don't want to dismiss your view. Having said that, "missing out" on the top guys from a weak class on day 1 doesn't equate to a failed off-season. To start, I wouldn't count us out just yet on Pryor. Obtaining him along with Wheaton could actually give us an even stronger receiving core than what we've had considering the number of games that Jeffery was bound to miss.

Secondly, there is a ton of wheeling and dealing that could happen at the draft. For example, I've got my eye really close on the Titans and seeing what they want to do at the top of the draft. If they really like someone, they may be inclined to [bold]deal 5 and 18 to us for 3 and our third rounder[/bold]. Not saying it WILL happen. But there are things like that out there that could still give us an opportunity to fill actual needs without shelling out a bunch of money that we may regret later on down the road.


That would be amazing. I'd also take a top 10 pick plus a top 10 in the second round for #3. Probably won't happen though.

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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#103 » by CjayC » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:45 pm

City of Trees wrote:Every Bucs fan or even player I've heard talk about Glennon has nothing but positive things to say. All say he has potential. So, in my mind, this is no worse than signing Hoyer.

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Way more upside, in terms of actual upside and if they go through with the plan of drafting a rookie QB early if Glennon works out you have a nice problem on your hands. You couldn't do that if you went out and seeked the RG3's, Hoyer's, and Foles of the world to hold the QB position down until whatever rookie is ready.
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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#104 » by CjayC » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:47 pm

I'd be on the lookout for a trade down to a team like the Jets or Bills who don't seem to be very keen about what they have at QB. A trade down with the Jets could net us their 2nd and 3rd round pick. If we traded down to the Bills we could probably squeeze a future 1st+ more out of them.
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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#105 » by transplant » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:51 pm

Just listened to Glennon's press conference. For me, it made it easier to understand why Pace chose Glennon over Cutler. Cutler had all the physical tools and was a tough guy as well, but despite the fact that I was a Cutler defender, I never got the impression that he was ever "all in" to anything. Glennon gives the impression that you're not only getting the physical package, but also his heart and soul. He's all in. Will it make a difference? I wish I knew.
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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#106 » by mlitney01 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:23 pm

Apparently he's great when not pressured. I think that's why we gave Dion Sims so much. It was the biggest upgrade we could make to our line without making a huge deal for a OT. The good thing about Glennon is that there is enough tape on him to know his strengths and weaknesses, which will help Pace build an offense around him. I don't think you could say the same for Osweiler.
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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#107 » by RedBulls83 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:04 am

mlitney01 wrote:Apparently he's great when not pressured. I think that's why we gave Dion Sims so much. It was the biggest upgrade we could make to our line without making a huge deal for a OT. The good thing about Glennon is that there is enough tape on him to know his strengths and weaknesses, which will help Pace build an offense around him. I don't think you could say the same for Osweiler.

That video with Gruden shows him being able to make passes under pressure.

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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#108 » by fleet » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:55 am

transplant wrote:Just listened to Glennon's press conference. For me, it made it easier to understand why Pace chose Glennon over Cutler. Cutler had all the physical tools and was a tough guy as well, but despite the fact that I was a Cutler defender, I never got the impression that he was ever "all in" to anything. Glennon gives the impression that you're not only getting the physical package, but also his heart and soul. He's all in. Will it make a difference? I wish I knew.

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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#109 » by City of Trees » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:37 am

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Re: Mike Glennon 

Post#110 » by patryk7754 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:01 pm

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This man is too ugly. But im becoming more ok with this signing every day. After his contract details came out and it was compared to other QB contracts it turns out its not that bad of a deal.

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