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Post#221 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu May 15, 2014 1:27 am

I really liked the Webster pick, despite it coming a little earlier than expected. Webster is a very raw prospect that needs a ton of work, but he is a freakish athlete along the lines of Jadeveon Clowney. No that’s not a typo, Webster ran a 4.58-second 40-yard dash, 7.29-second three cone and 4.44-second short shuttle while logging a vertical of 36.5 inches and a broad jump of 10 feet, 3 inches. Clowney’s line was 4.53 in the 40, 7.27 three cone, and 4.43 short shuttle with a 37.5” vertical and 10’4” broad jump. Webster has first round measurables, but he’s only played two years of college football and that was at the Division II level. The Lions developed Willie Young into a very good player and he was a similar type prospect


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Post#222 » by Piston Pete » Thu May 15, 2014 3:37 am

Was Freese the Lions top-rated K going into the draft?

What role do the Lions anticipate with OG/C Rodney Austin moving forward? They have been very fond of him in the past. Do they like him better at OG next to Swanson long-term, possibly taking over for Sims down the road?

Overall, this draft could be surprisingly good - like last season's.

Ebron and Van Noy will be major contributors right from the get-go.

Webster and Reid are interesting and exciting picks. Both come from small schools but seem to have a lot of raw potential.

Lawson - I'm still not sold on him....

Of the undrafted guys, QB Franklin, S Couplin, and OT Lucas might have a legit shot at making this team and TE Maxwell might stick on with the practice squad.
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Post#223 » by epheisey » Thu May 15, 2014 4:16 am

Terrible draft from the Lions. Taking a 4th or 5th receiving option was an awful decision. In a draft so deep with WRs and TEs, taking one with the 10th pick was a poor choice. Everyone rags on Pettigrew for drops, and last season he was one of the most reliable receivers we had. Now people argue that Ebron is the savior for this teams receiving issues? He has a drop rate of almost 12%. Great move Martin.

The Lions didn't address their top 2 needs in the draft, S and CB. Taking a LB and C in rounds 2 and 3 would have otherwise been solid selections, had they not needed secondary help.

Honestly, the kicker was the best value selection in the draft, they reached for every other player, or spent too much to acquire them.

Last team to draft a TE in the top 20 picks of the draft? You guessed it, the Detroit Lions selecting Brandon Pettigrew at 20th.
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Post#224 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu May 15, 2014 10:26 am

Piston Pete wrote:Was Freese the Lions top-rated K going into the draft?

What role do the Lions anticipate with OG/C Rodney Austin moving forward? They have been very fond of him in the past. Do they like him better at OG next to Swanson long-term, possibly taking over for Sims down the road?


i think a kicker was a need going in, and there wasn't any kicker that was a must have prospect. I believe Austin was released, and if not, he's another camp body. The fact that he's been in and out of our roster is not a good sign. I do believe Swanson is our primary backup for our OL. and the fact that he's so versatile is the reason why we selected him in the 3rd


Overall, this draft could be surprisingly good - like last season's.


If Swanson can play aroll on this team
if Reid or Webster can produce
If TJ jones is more than a camp body
If Lawson makes the team

All highly likely


Ebron and Van Noy will be major contributors right from the get-go.


our 1st 2 picks might arguably be steal of the drafts



Of the undrafted guys, QB Franklin, S Couplin, and OT Lucas might have a legit shot at making this team and TE Maxwell might stick on with the practice squad.


Franklin should beat our moore, and Lucas was given the biggest signing bonus, meaning he's more than likley just a camp body. He's 6'9 350lb+. :drool:
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Post#225 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu May 15, 2014 10:44 am

epheisey wrote:Terrible draft from the Lions. Taking a 4th or 5th receiving option was an awful decision. In a draft so deep with WRs and TEs, taking one with the 10th pick was a poor choice.


None of the other TE's had the athletic ability of EBron, he was rated much higher than other TE's. He creates such a huge match up problem. If you were ever for watkins or Evans, being against this pick is being hypocritical. He impacts the game the same way Evans and Watkins would have. Think of him as another WR. 6'5" 250lb WR.


Everyone rags on Pettigrew for drops, and last season he was one of the most reliable receivers we had. Now people argue that Ebron is the savior for this teams receiving issues? He has a drop rate of almost 12%. Great move Martin.


Drops are a concern, however part of the reason for many drops is Stafford throws the ball so much as well as the receivers never really know where ist coming from, making adjusting hard.

The Lions didn't address their top 2 needs in the draft, S and CB. Taking a LB and C in rounds 2 and 3 would have otherwise been solid selections, had they not needed secondary help.


We are set at Safety, what we needed was another safety to develop behind the 2 we have. At #10, there was no safety that had that high of value, in the 2nd round, all the high rated safeties were off the board and no CB's worth a pick in the second round. We currently do not have a back up for Railoa at center, which is more of a need than CB or S. Remember we used 2nd , 3rd, and 2 4th round picks on Slay, Bentley, Green and Greenwood. All CB's who are highly athletic and big. Our DC is a former secondary coach, i don't mind gettin better value at another position of need than reaching to address a lesser need.

DE was definitely at the top of the list of needs as well as a multi purupose LB. VAn noy is very much that LB. If you liked mack we have the poor mans version of him in Van noy


Honestly, the kicker was the best value selection in the draft, they reached for every other player, or spent too much to acquire them.


Your contradicting yourself, your saying detroit shoudl have reached and grabbed a CB or S at #10, but then turn around and say they reached for a WR/TE of whom most teams had in the top 10 if not top 15? What detroit didn't do was reach with Ebron.

Last team to draft a TE in the top 20 picks of the draft? You guessed it, the Detroit Lions selecting Brandon Pettigrew at 20th.


i would recommend doing some research about Ebron before judging him. i was also of the same opinoin initially and then i read up on him. He's too big for DB's to cover and too fast for lb's to cover. HE's a walking mismatch

Cj on side of the field being double teamed
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Post#226 » by epheisey » Thu May 15, 2014 9:10 pm

They won't have to try to guard that. Their offense will never leave the field. There is only one ball, and the field is only so big.

It's one thing to reach for a need. It's another thing to reach for a luxury pick. Denard, Pryor, Clinton-Dix could all have been justified as reasonable selections at #10. Sure some would have claimed they were reaches, but they all would have been viable selections at #10 with the needs the Lions have. If you're satisfied with Ihedigbo at safety, and Don Carey as the primary backup, you have high hopes. Having Ihedigbo as a 3rd safety would have made the safety position solid, having him as a starter makes this a position of weakness.

Stafford is supposed to be our franchise player. If a "franchise" player requires elite talent at every single position surrounding him, the whole franchise is in serious trouble. If your most important player can't make other players look better, then he isn't that good. We have taken offense in the first round like 10 times in 10 years or something ridiculous like that. Clearly that formula hasn't worked. What we haven't done, is address the back seven of the defense in the draft. Perhaps they should give that a shot.

Lions should have went DB in the first, and that would allowed them to take a WR/TE (the players available in the second would have still be great 3rd or 4th options in our offense) and a LB in the second/third. The center taken in the third and a center taken in the fourth, would be very close in value.

Mayhew claimed they wanted 3 starters, 3 contributors, and 3 developmental players. They have 2 starters. Van Noy and Freese. Ebron isn't a starter. He's either our 3rd WR or our 2nd TE.

What's the point of developing players ie Fauria if we draft their replacement the following season?

In another note. The defensive line could be very good this year. Devin Taylor last year looked good. Jason Jones is healthy, and this rookie DE is an athletic freak.
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Post#227 » by Blkbrd671 » Fri May 16, 2014 1:59 am

epheisey wrote:They won't have to try to guard that. Their offense will never leave the field. There is only one ball, and the field is only so big.


This post makes absolutely no sense.


It's one thing to reach for a need. It's another thing to reach for a luxury pick. Denard, Pryor, Clinton-Dix could all have been justified as reasonable selections at #10. Sure some would have claimed they were reaches, but they all would have been viable selections at #10 with the needs the Lions have. If you're satisfied with Ihedigbo at safety, and Don Carey as the primary backup, you have high hopes. Having Ihedigbo as a 3rd safety would have made the safety position solid, having him as a starter makes this a position of weakness.


WHAT!? Detroit beat writers, and majority of detroit fans wanted watkins or evans, why aren't those considered luxary picks? Also the only player that can be justified to being taken at #10 would be Aaron Donald and he'd be a back up on this team. Additionally there's question about his size. Lastly its not "some would have considered it reaches" , MAJORITY would have considered them reaches. There was one top rated/graded CB in the top 15 and that was Gilbert. What you should be arguing is we should have traded down, which was looked into , but without significant return. You don't reach that far down on your board to address 1 area of need when you can address another with much better talent.

Stafford is supposed to be our franchise player. If a "franchise" player requires elite talent at every single position surrounding him, the whole franchise is in serious trouble. If your most important player can't make other players look better, then he isn't that good. We have taken offense in the first round like 10 times in 10 years or something ridiculous like that. Clearly that formula hasn't worked. What we haven't done, is address the back seven of the defense in the draft. Perhaps they should give that a shot.


Nick Fairley, Suh, Ansah(LAST YEAR), wth are you talking about? Its also funny you mention elite talent, yet the players you mentioned inthe previous post, aren't considered elite CB's /S's. Ebron however is considered a elite talent at the TE/WR position

You'd be surprised to know that our offense was actually worst than our defense last year. We also spent 2nd round pick on slay, 3rd round pick on Bentley, 4th pick on green wood, and 5th(?) on Green. and this year 2nd round pick on Van noy. We most definitely have addressed the back 7. The NFL draft is more than 1 round deep and you build your team through the latter rounds. The first round is where you get your game changer, we most definitely got that in EBron.

Lions should have went DB in the first, and that would allowed them to take a WR/TE (the players available in the second would have still be great 3rd or 4th options in our offense) and a LB in the second/third. The center taken in the third and a center taken in the fourth, would be very close in value.


This is what your saying based on what we know about the players we drafted.

We should have reached and grabbed a DB who didn't have the value of a #10 pick or considered elite
We should have drafted a WR in the 2nd who wouldn't have impacted the game like Ebron would have and not draft Van noy, who clearly had a higher grade than all the WR available and is a player maker on the defensive side of the ball in rushing and coverage.

The only real valid point in think you have is that we could have addressed our CB in the 3rd and drafted a center in the 4th, however hindsight is 20/20. We don't know that as every team has different grades on players. The lions apparently had Lawson graded higher than any CB's available. and if history (warford last year) tells us anything is that our FO can evaluate OL. Lastly Center and guard is most definitely at the top of our needs list, if one of our OL got injured this year, the talent and value at the backup position was not adequate. with Lawson , that changed.


Mayhew claimed they wanted 3 starters, 3 contributors, and 3 developmental players. They have 2 starters. Van Noy and Freese. Ebron isn't a starter. He's either our 3rd WR or our 2nd TE.


You really need to do some research on our draft picks. This statement is not only inaccurate, our roster isn't even set, how can you even predict that?

What's the point of developing players ie Fauria if we draft their replacement the following season?


Fauria has 1 season of catching 7 TD's. He is not a proven TE, and struggles with Route running which is EXTREMELY important. Fauria is strictly redzone tight end. imagine being a defense and having to guard

CJ
Pettigrew
Fauira
Ebron
Bush

in the red zone. its going to be crazy

Also Lombardi is supposedly a offensive guru, the opposing defenses are going to see some lineups that are pretty much unstoppable. As i said earlier, please do some research.

In another note. The defensive line could be very good this year. Devin Taylor last year looked good. Jason Jones is healthy, and this rookie DE is an athletic freak.


Our DL looks very good, we got a boat load of talent and depth, its a matter of remaining healthy. Also Jones is coming off a major injury, idk if he'll be the same player, i hope he is and SUH and Fairley as of right now won't be on this team next year. Lastly our rookie, is more a OLB than DE, though in some packages he'll be a DE.

Expect big things from Reid and Webster, they could very well be steals of this draft
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Post#228 » by epheisey » Fri May 16, 2014 5:05 am

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epheisey wrote:They won't have to try to guard that. Their offense will never leave the field. There is only one ball, and the field is only so big.


This post makes absolutely no sense.


It's one thing to reach for a need. It's another thing to reach for a luxury pick. Denard, Pryor, Clinton-Dix could all have been justified as reasonable selections at #10. Sure some would have claimed they were reaches, but they all would have been viable selections at #10 with the needs the Lions have. If you're satisfied with Ihedigbo at safety, and Don Carey as the primary backup, you have high hopes. Having Ihedigbo as a 3rd safety would have made the safety position solid, having him as a starter makes this a position of weakness.


WHAT!? Detroit beat writers, and majority of detroit fans wanted watkins or evans, why aren't those considered luxary picks? Also the only player that can be justified to being taken at #10 would be Aaron Donald and he'd be a back up on this team. Additionally there's question about his size. Lastly its not "some would have considered it reaches" , MAJORITY would have considered them reaches. There was one top rated/graded CB in the top 15 and that was Gilbert. What you should be arguing is we should have traded down, which was looked into , but without significant return. You don't reach that far down on your board to address 1 area of need when you can address another with much better talent.

Stafford is supposed to be our franchise player. If a "franchise" player requires elite talent at every single position surrounding him, the whole franchise is in serious trouble. If your most important player can't make other players look better, then he isn't that good. We have taken offense in the first round like 10 times in 10 years or something ridiculous like that. Clearly that formula hasn't worked. What we haven't done, is address the back seven of the defense in the draft. Perhaps they should give that a shot.


Nick Fairley, Suh, Ansah(LAST YEAR), wth are you talking about? Its also funny you mention elite talent, yet the players you mentioned inthe previous post, aren't considered elite CB's /S's. Ebron however is considered a elite talent at the TE/WR position

You'd be surprised to know that our offense was actually worst than our defense last year. We also spent 2nd round pick on slay, 3rd round pick on Bentley, 4th pick on green wood, and 5th(?) on Green. and this year 2nd round pick on Van noy. We most definitely have addressed the back 7. The NFL draft is more than 1 round deep and you build your team through the latter rounds. The first round is where you get your game changer, we most definitely got that in EBron.

Lions should have went DB in the first, and that would allowed them to take a WR/TE (the players available in the second would have still be great 3rd or 4th options in our offense) and a LB in the second/third. The center taken in the third and a center taken in the fourth, would be very close in value.


This is what your saying based on what we know about the players we drafted.

We should have reached and grabbed a DB who didn't have the value of a #10 pick or considered elite
We should have drafted a WR in the 2nd who wouldn't have impacted the game like Ebron would have and not draft Van noy, who clearly had a higher grade than all the WR available and is a player maker on the defensive side of the ball in rushing and coverage.

The only real valid point in think you have is that we could have addressed our CB in the 3rd and drafted a center in the 4th, however hindsight is 20/20. We don't know that as every team has different grades on players. The lions apparently had Lawson graded higher than any CB's available. and if history (warford last year) tells us anything is that our FO can evaluate OL. Lastly Center and guard is most definitely at the top of our needs list, if one of our OL got injured this year, the talent and value at the backup position was not adequate. with Lawson , that changed.


Mayhew claimed they wanted 3 starters, 3 contributors, and 3 developmental players. They have 2 starters. Van Noy and Freese. Ebron isn't a starter. He's either our 3rd WR or our 2nd TE.


You really need to do some research on our draft picks. This statement is not only inaccurate, our roster isn't even set, how can you even predict that?

What's the point of developing players ie Fauria if we draft their replacement the following season?


Fauria has 1 season of catching 7 TD's. He is not a proven TE, and struggles with Route running which is EXTREMELY important. Fauria is strictly redzone tight end. imagine being a defense and having to guard

CJ
Pettigrew
Fauira
Ebron
Bush

in the red zone. its going to be crazy

Also Lombardi is supposedly a offensive guru, the opposing defenses are going to see some lineups that are pretty much unstoppable. As i said earlier, please do some research.

In another note. The defensive line could be very good this year. Devin Taylor last year looked good. Jason Jones is healthy, and this rookie DE is an athletic freak.


Our DL looks very good, we got a boat load of talent and depth, its a matter of remaining healthy. Also Jones is coming off a major injury, idk if he'll be the same player, i hope he is and SUH and Fairley as of right now won't be on this team next year. Lastly our rookie, is more a OLB than DE, though in some packages he'll be a DE.

Expect big things from Reid and Webster, they could very well be steals of this draft


I don't know how to quote segments like that or i would haha.

That first statement. Opposing teams won't have to guard our "stacked" wide receiving corps, because their defense won't have to be on the field much. Our defense is going to struggle to get off the field. Yes our defense looked good last year, but they caused almost no turnovers. Our offense was weak, but we brought in a legit #2 WR, which should have a domino effect, allowing our depth receivers line up against depth defenders. Our division was riddled with injuries to their starting QBs. Rodgers and Cutler were both out for extended periods. Do you expect our defense to stand up to those offenses, now that they actually have real threats at QB? We can't claim our defense is satisfactory when we consistently played teams that were hurting, and we can't rely on injuries to help us out.

As for Watkins and Evans, I'm not a Detroit beat writer. Unless Watkins fell to 10, I wanted nothing to do with either of them. But here's my argument. I don't think Ebron is a top 10 talent in this draft. I just don't think the TE position is deserving of a top 10 pick, ever. Look at the best tight ends in the league, and look where they were drafted. Outside of Vernon Davis who was a top 10 pick, Gates, Graham, Julius Thomas, Jordan Cameron, Jordan Reed, all very good NFL tight ends, and Reed was the earliest pick at 85th. The value of the position as a whole just doesn't warrant a top 10 pick. If any TE taken after Ebron, so much as smells better, he's a bust.

Had the Lions traded down, acquired another selection, and still taken Ebron, I might be able to stomach that pick, but they didn't even let the opportunity come up. What team with a top 10 pick, makes their selection before the draft clock is close to expiring? The Lions pretty much ran to the podium when it was their turn to pick. Take the time, make the calls, and move back 3-7 spots with an additional pick.

Ratings/grades are all relative so I could take a few minutes, search a few draft sites, and find ones that rated Denard high enough, or Pryor high enough, or Fuller. My point is, I'd rather see them reach for need, than reach for a luxury.

Ebron, Stafford, Pettigrew, Best, Reiff, Cherilus, Calvin, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Charles Rogers, Joey Harrington, Jeff Backus. Out of our past 14 drafts, we've taken 12 offensive players in the first round. And you named 3 of the 4 defensive players they took in the first in that same time period (Ernie Sims was the other). It's fairly clear where the Lions have focused their efforts in the draft, granted Millen was a doofus.

As for those CBs and S's not being elite talent, I agree, but the Lions are lacking talent period, in the secondary. Yea they've drafted a ton of CBs in Slay, Green, Bentley, and Greenwood. But let's be honest, Slay is the only one who might be a starter. Bentley is supposedly going to compete with the corner we drafted for the nickle corner spot. 3 years in and he's only improved enough to compete with a rookie for a 3rd corner slot? Picks after the 2nd round, don't address needs, they address depth, and none of our later round corners are worthy of starting for even the Lions.

Fauria caught 7 TDs in one season in the NFL. This "game changer" that we just drafted, the best receiving option on his college team, caught 3 TDs last season.

You can't put CJ, Tate, Pettigrew, Fauria, Ebron, and Bush on the field at the same time. Are you going to sit Tate, the guy with the best hands on the team? Are you going to sit Fauria, the best red zone threat aside from Calvin? Can't sit Pettigrew, or there's not even a threat to run the ball, same reason we won't be going empty backfield often, so Bush has to be in. And now we add in Ebron? Great! We can cycle players in and out, but this team is lacking quality talent at enough other positions, that it seems foolish that we're going to be sitting one of those 6, not to mention one of Bush/Bell in red zone situations.

The point of developing a player like Fauria is to improve his route running and other underdeveloped skills, therefore allowing him to make an impact in other areas of the game. So while I understand he is lacking in some areas, now, those areas will continue to be ignored, and he is locked into being a one dimensional player. Chances of us ever finding out if he could have developed into more than just a red zone option are slim to none now, and even if he does, it won't be here, because we have too much money invested into another TE who fills that role.

As for the rookie DE, he's headed for the practice squad. I doubt he sees the field this season. Seems like he's been associated with more positions than we drafted. TE, DE, OLB...he's so undeveloped, there's slim chance he's allowed to play impact downs at all.

The Saints didn't win a Super Bowl with Jimmy Graham. So while I'm excited to see a form of the Saints offense installed here, that's not going to be what wins us games. They won a Super Bowl with a defense that forced a ton of turnovers, something our defense can't do, and didn't make any improvements to change that in the offseason.

Also, if Lombardi is such an offensive guru, why does he need so many weapons? The reason we changed coaching staffs was to bring in fresh ideas, make the players we HAD better. If our offense isn't putting up 30-40 pts a game, between Caldwell and Lombardi coming in to work with Stafford, adding Tate and Ebron, another year for our O-line to improve....then I'll be sitting here laughing my a** off at the same old lions.



Had the Lions simply not re-signed Pettigrew, I would be saying none of this. I personally like Pettigrew. I think he suffers from the wrath of rabid Lions fans searching for a scapegoat. But if they had simply let him walk, and then drafted Ebron, filling what would have then been a position of need, I'd be fine.
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Post#229 » by Blkbrd671 » Sat May 17, 2014 7:57 am

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That first statement. Opposing teams won't have to guard our "stacked" wide receiving corps, because their defense won't have to be on the field much. Our defense is going to struggle to get off the field. Yes our defense looked good last year, but they caused almost no turnovers.


You do know that when the other team scores a TD, our defense HAS to get off the field. If our secondary is as bad as you say, teams will be lighting us up.

Our offense was weak, but we brought in a legit #2 WR, which should have a domino effect, allowing our depth receivers line up against depth defenders. Our division was riddled with injuries to their starting QBs. Rodgers and Cutler were both out for extended periods. Do you expect our defense to stand up to those offenses, now that they actually have real threats at QB? We can't claim our defense is satisfactory when we consistently played teams that were hurting, and we can't rely on injuries to help us out.


its the NFL, you can't make predictions until 1 week out. Everybodies injured in the NFL.

Also we have CJ and Tate, what happens if 1 gets injured, then we are theoretically back in the same spot as last year. We needed to add another play maker to our offense. In ebron we did. Now what needs to happen is our QB to get them the ball.

Your debatin a losing argument. Was secondary a need? yes, was the value there? no.

As for Watkins and Evans, I'm not a Detroit beat writer. Unless Watkins fell to 10, I wanted nothing to do with either of them. But here's my argument. I don't think Ebron is a top 10 talent in this draft. I just don't think the TE position is deserving of a top 10 pick, ever. Look at the best tight ends in the league, and look where they were drafted. Outside of Vernon Davis who was a top 10 pick, Gates, Graham, Julius Thomas, Jordan Cameron, Jordan Reed, all very good NFL tight ends, and Reed was the earliest pick at 85th. The value of the position as a whole just doesn't warrant a top 10 pick. If any TE taken after Ebron, so much as smells better, he's a bust.


You keep referring to him as strictly a TE, yet he's not. What you think is your opinion, but fact of the matter is many teams (who are more credible)had him as a top 10-15 talent. AGAIN no one had any of those secondary players in their Top 15 other than Gilbert. You can't argue reaching in the first round, because there simply isn't a argument for it.

Also

1: So your arguing that we should draft TE with the 85th pick becuase another good TE was drafted in another draft at 85? makes absolutely 0 sense. Each Draft is different. You go by what your scouts tell you, what your analyst tell you and what the kids talent tells you.

2. If both TE's are successful and the other 6 aren't, does that even mean anything. All that matters is success.

Had the Lions traded down, acquired another selection, and still taken Ebron, I might be able to stomach that pick, but they didn't even let the opportunity come up. What team with a top 10 pick, makes their selection before the draft clock is close to expiring? The Lions pretty much ran to the podium when it was their turn to pick. Take the time, make the calls, and move back 3-7 spots with an additional pick.


The lions had a game plan and executed it, you don't understand that in terms of tiers, Ebron is on a different tier than all that was available. the lions were taking calls to trade down, if they pulled the trigger that early, obviously what was being offered wasn't anything of substance. Whats going on here is your fixated on the position drafted as oppose to the talent.. Again do some research.

Ratings/grades are all relative so I could take a few minutes, search a few draft sites, and find ones that rated Denard high enough, or Pryor high enough, or Fuller. My point is, I'd rather see them reach for need, than reach for a luxury.


You could, but they'd be in the minority. My problem with your arguments, is that its clear you have done 0 research. And again WR was most definitely a need. so your contradicting your self


Ebron, Stafford, Pettigrew, Best, Reiff, Cherilus, Calvin, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Charles Rogers, Joey Harrington, Jeff Backus. Out of our past 14 drafts, we've taken 12 offensive players in the first round. And you named 3 of the 4 defensive players they took in the first in that same time period (Ernie Sims was the other). It's fairly clear where the Lions have focused their efforts in the draft, granted Millen was a doofus.


You stated

We have taken offense in the first round like 10 times in 10 years or something ridiculous like that. Clearly that formula hasn't worked. What we haven't done, is address the back seven of the defense in the draft.


All i'm saying is your statement if a over exaggeration. Also Mayhews picks are the only valid ones. What another GM has done, is really irrelevant

1a 2009 Matthew Stafford QB
1b 2009 Brandon Pettigrew TE
1a 2010 Ndamukong Suh DT
1b 2010 Jahvid Best+ RB
1 2011 Nick Fairley DE
1 2012 Riley Reiff OL
2 2009 Louis Delmas* S
2b 2011 Mikel Leshoure RB
2 2012 Ryan Broyles WR
3 2009 DeAndre Levy* LB
3 2010 Amari Spievey# S
3 2012 Bill Bentley CB
4 2009 Sammie Hill* DT
4 2010 Jason Fox# OL
4 2012 Ronnell Lewis DE
5 2012 Tahir Whitehead LB
5 2012 Chris Greenwood CB
6 2012 Jonte Green CB
7 2010 Willie Young# DE
7 2012 Travis Lewis LB

13 of 20 are defensive picks.

As for those CBs and S's not being elite talent, I agree, but the Lions are lacking talent period, in the secondary. Yea they've drafted a ton of CBs in Slay, Green, Bentley, and Greenwood. But let's be honest, Slay is the only one who might be a starter. Bentley is supposedly going to compete with the corner we drafted for the nickle corner spot. 3 years in and he's only improved enough to compete with a rookie for a 3rd corner slot? Picks after the 2nd round, don't address needs, they address depth, and none of our later round corners are worthy of starting for even the Lions.


Quin, Houston, Slay, Bentley,mathis, idehengo. We most definitely do have talent. Also they say it takes 3 years for a player to learn the most difficult position in the nfl and maybe all of sports. swanson going to compete, but nobody said he was going to win the competition. you make is sound as if its happened already and it hasn't. Inaccurate statement


Fauria caught 7 TDs in one season in the NFL. This "game changer" that we just drafted, the best receiving option on his college team, caught 3 TDs last season.


1.) college stats vs pro stats is a pointless argument , means nothing
2.) funny how you left out all the other stats, like yards, YAC, longest reception etc. if your going to make a argument you can't pick just 1 stat.


You can't put CJ, Tate, Pettigrew, Fauria, Ebron, and Bush on the field at the same time. Are you going to sit Tate, the guy with the best hands on the team? Are you going to sit Fauria, the best red zone threat aside from Calvin? Can't sit Pettigrew, or there's not even a threat to run the ball, same reason we won't be going empty backfield often, so Bush has to be in. And now we add in Ebron? Great! We can cycle players in and out, but this team is lacking quality talent at enough other positions, that it seems foolish that we're going to be sitting one of those 6, not to mention one of Bush/Bell in red zone situations.


This statement shows your lack of understanding, rather than get into it, just know, ppl who truly understand football see waht a mismatch putting ebron on this squad is.

The point of developing a player like Fauria is to improve his route running and other underdeveloped skills, therefore allowing him to make an impact in other areas of the game. So while I understand he is lacking in some areas, now, those areas will continue to be ignored, and he is locked into being a one dimensional player. Chances of us ever finding out if he could have developed into more than just a red zone option are slim to none now, and even if he does, it won't be here, because we have too much money invested into another TE who fills that role.


If Fauria isn't ready to win a super bowl now, then he doesn't belong on this team, this team is ready to contend now, and we don't have the time to wait for fauria to develop. Also when CJ finally puts cleets up, Fauria will never be the play maker to replace him, Ebon has that skill level and play making ability to do so. This pick does not only help us contend today but also have a impact player when CJ retires.

As for the rookie DE, he's headed for the practice squad. I doubt he sees the field this season. Seems like he's been associated with more positions than we drafted. TE, DE, OLB...he's so undeveloped, there's slim chance he's allowed to play impact downs at all.


okay, i'll listen to our GM , who indirectly has said Van noy will be starting. Again do some research

The Saints didn't win a Super Bowl with Jimmy Graham. So while I'm excited to see a form of the Saints offense installed here, that's not going to be what wins us games. They won a Super Bowl with a defense that forced a ton of turnovers, something our defense can't do, and didn't make any improvements to change that in the offseason.

Also, if Lombardi is such an offensive guru, why does he need so many weapons? The reason we changed coaching staffs was to bring in fresh ideas, make the players we HAD better. If our offense isn't putting up 30-40 pts a game, between Caldwell and Lombardi coming in to work with Stafford, adding Tate and Ebron, another year for our O-line to improve....then I'll be sitting here laughing my a** off at the same old lions.



Had the Lions simply not re-signed Pettigrew, I would be saying none of this. I personally like Pettigrew. I think he suffers from the wrath of rabid Lions fans searching for a scapegoat. But if they had simply let him walk, and then drafted Ebron, filling what would have then been a position of need, I'd be fine.


all these arguments are absolutely awful, and not well thought out. No correlation, and reaching a ton. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD, EBRON IS A WR AND TE!
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Post#230 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue May 27, 2014 10:25 pm

Raven's wanted Ebron

When the Lions took Ebron with the 10th overall pick this month, they spoiled draft day for the Baltimore Ravens, who hoped that Ebron would make it to them at pick No. 17.

“I think that, this year, maybe the one guy that I was excited about getting that we didn’t get was Eric Ebron from North Carolina, the tight end,” Ravens assistant general manager Eric DeCosta said at a Ravens fan event last week, according to Russell Street Report. “I thought he was a premier talent.”

“I really thought, if he had gotten out of the top 10, he would have fallen to us,” DeCosta said. “Looking at the other teams and, this time, there was a really good chance we were going to get him. Didn’t really think Detroit would take him.”


I wonder if they would have traded up or we talked to them about doing so.
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Post#231 » by kellmellus50 » Tue Feb 3, 2015 2:12 pm

We need to draft a TE with our first pick and dump pettegrew.
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