eagle13 wrote:I am begining to see the light. There has to be some dam reason TT paid him so much. However wonder why Hawk was stripped of Def signal caller? - coaches gave it to Bishop then smith then Jones. And still the fact hawk rarely makes head on stops but gets dragged hanging on hip of runner.
BF what grade would you give Hawk in relation to others that play his position SILB?
IF the OL-DL-S-CB at 26 were not value & Minter was there at 26 would you take him to replace Hawk or do prefer Hawk and draft a value OLB, RB, TE or WR? (suppose Perry's health is 100% & TT chooss to keep finley)
I wish Hawk was a bigger hitter. I really do. Sadly part of the lacking instincts is that Hawk generally knows where to go, but he doesn't have the Ray Lewis, superhuman sixth sense that lets him know where the ballcarrier is and where he's going at all times. Because he's just not that guy, a lot of the time Hawk ends up just slightly out of position and throws an arm out, because that's all he can get. It looks ****, because NFL caliber backs will drag you if you don't get a hat on them and you don't have help coming. It's just one of those deals that that's a limitation of Hawk's game.
Never doubt that Hawk's a hitter. Not once in his football career has Hawk shied away from a block or a tackle. He'll lay the wood if he can, but he's not gonna gamble. He's not gonna risk a missed tackle going for the knockout shot. Because he so often doesn't find himself with his feet set and his body positioned he ends up going for the fundamentally sound, if boring, tackle. Part of what made Ray Lewis such a fierce tackler is that the guy always had his lower body in position to deliver that shot. Hawk just doesn't have the instincts that Lewis did to get himself in the proper position.
Burnett was actually the guy who ended up with the headset for us in most games. I didn't realize, he played EVERY defensive snap for us. My guess for why the headset got taken away from Hawk is that Hawk isn't in on the 3-Safety, 1-LB sub-packages, and you always need that headset on the field, especially when you're getting crazy. Part of being the WILB is that you're trusted to be better in coverage. Not sure if that's actually the case for Smith vs. Hawk, but the staff seemed to feel that way. I can see why they would prefer Jones over Hawk in that look though.
As for the overall grade, it's hard to say. . .
David Harris for the Jets is better.
The 49er guys play it both ways, but both are better than Hawk.
Fletcher is better for the Redskins. Hawk's better than Perry Riley though
Cushing is better
The Chiefs play it both ways. Hawk's better than Greenwood but not as good as Johnson
Steelers play it both ways. Hawk's better than Spence but not as good as Timmons
Hawk is better than however the Cardinals are starting at that spot.
I'd take Hawk over whichever of Carter/Connor is starting for the Cowboys.
Hawk is better than the Colts guys
Hawk is probably better than Takeo Spikes
Essentially Hawk is the definition of average. He's a C+/B- guy.
The thing about Hawk is that he's almost never the cause of a big run. You can even see in the Vikings games. We filled gaps. We matched them man for man in the hole, and a big part of that was Hawk taking on Felton, who very much earned his trip to Honolulu. What we didn't do, was get Peterson on the ground once we killed the initial surge, and that's the responsibility of Brad Jones and the OLBs moreso than Hawk. Hawk is an extremely "safe" player.
You pay for that though, with the lack of impact plays. Hawk doesn't gamble, so he doesn't win. You don't get the FFs or the stuffs at a high rate. Ray Lewis built his hall of fame platform on shooting the "wrong" gap and taking down the ballcarrier before he reached the hole. He would slip a block in the hole and get the RB. And that's great, but you never see the plays where he didn't get the RB or by trying to slip the block he gave up a big gain, where the guy got yards when Ray didn't follow the assignment. Ray's great because he won a vast majority of the time when he gambled, but there were times when he lost too. Hawk doesn't lose because he gambled. There's something to be said for "safe" at that spot in this look with the talent on this defense.
I can't answer the "Would you take Minter?" question without seeing a board. He's in a whole bunch of guys that I would have to hold my nose to select at 26.
The guys that are somewhat realistic that I'd be excited about at 26 right now:
Cyprien, Rambo (I'm not saying it's a good pick, just one I'd like), Rhodes, and I'll know about the OLBs in 72 hours.
Just going off of Walt's Mock
Jones has a busted back
I don't want to take an interior lineman without elite drive skills like Cooper
Ask me about Mingo after they go through the drills
Fluker can't pass protect
Te'o can't shed a block (And it wasn't just Alabama)
Ogletree is soft and stupid
Hankins has a bad motor
I don't want a CB without elite man-skills like Banks (Though I may like him at Safety)
Sylvester Williams is overrated
I don't see the value in Allen when I can get a receiver who's similarly talented in the third round who will be just as capable of not seeing the field.
I'm not sure if Minter projects to be that much better than Hawk
I don't think Lacy, or any back in this class, is a true difference maker in the pros.
Kawann Short is Worthy's fatter brother.
Ask me about Okafor after the DEs go through drills
Jenkins gets blasted off the ball way too much for an elite lineman and doesn't get sacks.