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A secondary issue to the outcome, but what happened with Aaron Jones in the second half? He started hot and then fizzled. Injury, or did the Bucs adjust and just shut down the run better?

Treebeard wrote:A secondary issue to the outcome, but what happened with Aaron Jones in the second half? He started hot and then fizzled. Injury, or did the Bucs adjust and just shut down the run better?

Looked to me like the latter.

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I think Barry is a dead man walking. The more interesting question to me is the Ds performance bad enough that Gute is sent out the door with him? Id be in favor but suspect Murphy won't pull the trigger.

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I think it'd be the first time a D ever got a GM fired. I think Gute and MLF live or die based on Love. If Love isn't the guy going forward, the house is cleaned.

ReasonablySober wrote:

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I think Barry is a dead man walking. The more interesting question to me is the Ds performance bad enough that Gute is sent out the door with him? Id be in favor but suspect Murphy won't pull the trigger.

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I think it'd be the first time a D ever got a GM fired. I think Gute and MLF live or die based on Love. If Love isn't the guy going forward, the house is cleaned.

And either way, neither Lafleur or Gute will be fired this year. Even if we lost out.

Lafleur, Gute, and Love will all get next year to prove themselves no matter what.

Has a defense ever been responsible for back-to-back Offensive Player of the Week QBs before?

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Treebeard wrote:Who would take over as interrim DC, if/when Barry gets whacked? It may not be so obvious, if MLF has lost all confidence with that group of assistants

Literally do not give a ****. The only things they should care about is getting rid of a ridiculous liability and hitting on the next defensive coordinator.

Last offseason was the time to do it there were some big name dudes available

Daver wrote:

trwi7 wrote:

Treebeard wrote:Who would take over as interrim DC, if/when Barry gets whacked? It may not be so obvious, if MLF has lost all confidence with that group of assistants

Literally do not give a ****. The only things they should care about is getting rid of a ridiculous liability and hitting on the next defensive coordinator.

Last offseason was the time to do it there were some big name dudes available

Mayb Salah will be available. Same with the panthers d coordinator who we should have hired over barry in the first place. Jim leonhard as well


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LittleRooster wrote:

Daver wrote:

trwi7 wrote:
Literally do not give a ****. The only things they should care about is getting rid of a ridiculous liability and hitting on the next defensive coordinator.

Last offseason was the time to do it there were some big name dudes available

Mayb Salah will be available. Same with the panthers d coordinator who we should have hired over barry in the first place. Jim leonhard as well


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FFS how many times leonhard nane gonna keep popping up.Are we the only fans that want him cause other than packer fans drooling all over him difnt hear his name mentioned much last year.I think he has zero interest in the NFL i guess we will see.
For the record as bad as the D was MLF needs to look in the mirror n call a spade a spade he made some brutal calls today something thats been going on 4 years now game after game

Even if Saleh becomes available, which I doubt, I don't want MLF to hire another friend whom he feels bad about confronting or letting go. How about Chris Hewitt, pass defense coordinator for the Ravens?

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

Only bright spot here is hopefully this makes it black & white that Barry has to go.

Definitely fits the eye test.

Embarrassing effort

And it wasn’t against a juggernaut this was a pretty bad to mediocre offense they faced today.


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The players we have on defense, specifically the secondary, are complete garbage. None of them should be starting in the nfl. But even with that being said, Barry should be able to put them in better position against the giants and Bucs. He has to go.

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Knowing the Packers they are definitely losing to the panthers

Treebeard wrote:A secondary issue

You can say that again...lol.

TroyD92 wrote:Knowing the Packers they are definitely losing to the panthers

If we really know the Packers, they will probably win these next 2 and set up a win or go home scenario at Lambeau against the Bears week 18 where they will then lay their largest egg of the season.

Treebeard wrote:A secondary issue to the outcome, but what happened with Aaron Jones in the second half? He started hot and then fizzled. Injury, or did the Bucs adjust and just shut down the run better?

I think MLF said he was going to be on a play count cuz of injury.