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A player is on the shelf for 8 weeks (game-wise) on the IR/DR list.
We've got 4-5 weeks for a player more important than Quarless to go down for it to even matter (maybe 7 or 8 if somehow a guy has the perfect injury timing that he gets hurt but could only return for the NFCC or something). Chances are an injury is shorter than 8 weeks or longer than the rest of the season anyways the closer we get to the Super Bowl.
If Cobb breaks his leg and is out 8 weeks, then cut any of the guys you had just said were "worth cutting instead of putting Quarless on IR/DR" list and sign a WR. Or just cut Perillo.
What am I missing? (I'm just brushing up on my understanding of the rules right now)
You're making a slight gamble on nobody hitting the perfect injury criteria over the next 4-5 weeks. If Ripkowski gets a 10-week injury on Sunday, you just put him on IR for the rest of the season. Sure, he may be slightly better than his replacement, but you're only getting maybe 2 regular season games and the playoffs out of a replaceable player.
We've got 4-5 weeks for a player more important than Quarless to go down for it to even matter (maybe 7 or 8 if somehow a guy has the perfect injury timing that he gets hurt but could only return for the NFCC or something). Chances are an injury is shorter than 8 weeks or longer than the rest of the season anyways the closer we get to the Super Bowl.
If Cobb breaks his leg and is out 8 weeks, then cut any of the guys you had just said were "worth cutting instead of putting Quarless on IR/DR" list and sign a WR. Or just cut Perillo.
What am I missing? (I'm just brushing up on my understanding of the rules right now)
You're making a slight gamble on nobody hitting the perfect injury criteria over the next 4-5 weeks. If Ripkowski gets a 10-week injury on Sunday, you just put him on IR for the rest of the season. Sure, he may be slightly better than his replacement, but you're only getting maybe 2 regular season games and the playoffs out of a replaceable player.
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As a better example, let's say this happened in reverse.
Say Lacy got this MCL injury Quarless has. Perfect (well, not really) because you can use IR/DtR on a "valuable" player. Then Quarless goes down with the same injury next week. Your choice is to either cut Quarless completely, cut another guy to get a TE (Quarless still has to be an inactive on the 53), or just leave Quarless as dead weight on the 53 and go without the extra TE.
Now take it in the way it could go if say Lacy got the same injury next week after we've just put Quarless on IR/DtR. Now you have to cut Lacy (not happening), cut somebody else to fill the extra RB spot (again, Lacy is an injured player but on the 53), or just go as-is with Lacy joining Bulaga and Burnett as current dead weight on the 53.
Say Lacy got this MCL injury Quarless has. Perfect (well, not really) because you can use IR/DtR on a "valuable" player. Then Quarless goes down with the same injury next week. Your choice is to either cut Quarless completely, cut another guy to get a TE (Quarless still has to be an inactive on the 53), or just leave Quarless as dead weight on the 53 and go without the extra TE.
Now take it in the way it could go if say Lacy got the same injury next week after we've just put Quarless on IR/DtR. Now you have to cut Lacy (not happening), cut somebody else to fill the extra RB spot (again, Lacy is an injured player but on the 53), or just go as-is with Lacy joining Bulaga and Burnett as current dead weight on the 53.
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I think people are saying just IR Quarless, not cut somebody else.
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Kerb Hohl wrote:As a better example, let's say this happened in reverse.
Say Lacy got this MCL injury Quarless has. Perfect (well, not really) because you can use IR/DtR on a "valuable" player. Then Quarless goes down with the same injury next week. Your choice is to either cut Quarless completely, cut another guy to get a TE (Quarless still has to be an inactive on the 53), or just leave Quarless as dead weight on the 53 and go without the extra TE.
Now take it in the way it could go if say Lacy got the same injury next week after we've just put Quarless on IR/DtR. Now you have to cut Lacy (not happening), cut somebody else to fill the extra RB spot (again, Lacy is an injured player but on the 53), or just go as-is with Lacy joining Bulaga and Burnett as current dead weight on the 53.
Designate Lacy for return and normal IR for Quarless.
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I wouldn't say we wasted the designation, but this is probably not the best use for it either.
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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:thomchatt3rton wrote:Siefer wrote:I'm not defending the silly grade and write-up, but Rodgers was (by his standard) fairly average against KC. Granted, an average Rodgers is still very, very good.
Why do you think he was average by his standards? I thought he was masterful.
The only thing that might take away from his individual performance, if you want to nitpick, would be that a certain amount of credit is due the coaching staff, for calling the perfect kind of offense against a dangerous pass-rush. That said, Rodgers has a lot of control over what play is actually run, so he can share in the credit for that too.
Other than the uncharacteristic shoulda-been INT, he was about as perfect as a QB can get. I suppose he was average in the sense that he didnt have a bunch of long bombs or smthing? But again, the short passing game was the perfect strategy for that D, so is that evidence of average QB play, or is it the subtlety of true and mature greatness?
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One thing I didn't like about Rodgers is that in the past I thought he went for the big play too often. I'm a big fan of the west coast offense where you just wear down the defense slicing and dicing for 12 yards at a time. I cringed when a drive ended on a 3rd and 7 because Rodgers took a chance downfield. I love this Rodgers. Who knows, maybe not having Jordy makes this team better since it forces Rodgers to take more high percentage shots instead of bombs to Jordy.
Totally agree and was going to say much the same thing in a different post. And I'd extend that to include MM as well, not just Rodgers.
The Packers of years past, playing a pass-rush like this, would've stubbornly stuck to their long-ball aspirations (which to be fair, do work a lot) and the end result would be a bunch of sacks and a bunch of 3-and-outs and general sputtering. The loss at BUF last year is the classic example of this, but there have been others as well. I've never understood the "not aggressive enough" gripe about this offense- my beef has always been their lack of flexibility- their unwillingness to be adaptive etc.
I also thought about the Nelson aspect, and that maybe this isn't a new day for game-planning after all, maybe its just a "plan b", which is depressing because it's fairly likely that this is the case. If so, we'll just have to hope that someone on the staff somewhere along the way just happens to notice how effective "plan b" is .
I think we can be hopeful though that its Clements who has made the difference- and there have been some reports that would seem to support this. We'll see I guess.
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emunney wrote:I think people are saying just IR Quarless, not cut somebody else.
WiscoKing13 wrote:I like andrew and I understand we need the roster the spots for Guion. You have Gaston, Taylor, Banjo, and Goodson who all should be cut before you make this move.
WiscoKing13 wrote:Add kuhn and Mulumba to that list as well.
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't with the group that thought we didn't have guys we could cut.
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WiscoKing13 wrote:emunney wrote:I think people are saying just IR Quarless, not cut somebody else.WiscoKing13 wrote:I like andrew and I understand we need the roster the spots for Guion. You have Gaston, Taylor, Banjo, and Goodson who all should be cut before you make this move.WiscoKing13 wrote:Add kuhn and Mulumba to that list as well.
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't with the group that thought we didn't have guys we could cut.
Well, if you want to cut someone, then Kerb is right. You can still do that when the next guy gets hurt.
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emunney wrote:WiscoKing13 wrote:emunney wrote:I think people are saying just IR Quarless, not cut somebody else.WiscoKing13 wrote:I like andrew and I understand we need the roster the spots for Guion. You have Gaston, Taylor, Banjo, and Goodson who all should be cut before you make this move.WiscoKing13 wrote:Add kuhn and Mulumba to that list as well.
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't with the group that thought we didn't have guys we could cut.
Well, if you want to cut someone, then Kerb is right. You can still do that when the next guy gets hurt.
and you'll have to do it anyway when quarless comes back.
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Unless somebody else is ready for the IR in eight weeks, sure.
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WiscoKing13 wrote:I like andrew and I understand we need the roster the spots for Guion. You have Gaston, Taylor, Banjo, and Goodson who all should be cut before you make this move.
I don't think they'd consider cutting either of Banjo and Taylor at any point. Banjo is a core ST player and with Burnett hurt last week, Banjo got snaps on defense. Taylor is the backup guard unless i missed Tretter being named the first backup at both guard and center. Hell, even if Tretter was the top backup at both spots, we'd still need another backup interior lineman.
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I wouldn't cut Taylor just because I think he's a decent lineman. I think we have adequate depth there with Walker and Tretter.
I think a lot of this is probably a show of personal support for Quarless tipping the scales. He had a hellish offseason and it's a humane thing to not take his season away. Quarless is one of TT's guys, one of McCarthy's guys AND one of Aaron's guys. Looking at everything together, it makes sense they didn't end his season. With his injury, I doubt if cutting another player right now to keep him on the 53 was seriously considered. It was just a matter of whether his season was over or not.
I really think this tag should be expanded. You should be able to send 4-5 guys to this list. I know there has to be a limit or teams would hoard players, but 1 is pretty silly.
I think a lot of this is probably a show of personal support for Quarless tipping the scales. He had a hellish offseason and it's a humane thing to not take his season away. Quarless is one of TT's guys, one of McCarthy's guys AND one of Aaron's guys. Looking at everything together, it makes sense they didn't end his season. With his injury, I doubt if cutting another player right now to keep him on the 53 was seriously considered. It was just a matter of whether his season was over or not.
I really think this tag should be expanded. You should be able to send 4-5 guys to this list. I know there has to be a limit or teams would hoard players, but 1 is pretty silly.
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emunney wrote:I think people are saying just IR Quarless, not cut somebody else.
That is a better option than cutting Quarless or a low-tier player, but I would still use the IR/DtR on Quarless. You also would have to convince Quarless to do this when he could half a healthy 5 weeks + playoffs in front of him.
The only way this is the wrong idea is if a top 10ish player on your roster gets EXACTLY a 7-9 week injury in the next 4-5 weeks. 5 weeks from now, the IR/DtR slot is nearly useless and it becomes completely useless in about 7 weeks.
The sweet spot is 8 weeks. If Lacy gets a 5 week injury you don't want to waste 3 healthy weeks with him on the list since he must sit 8. If it's a 10-12 week injury like Dez (Cowboys didn't use this on him) then you don't want to have to get to the 9 week mark where he's forced to go on season-ending IR (hence you wasted the IR/DtR) or forced to be on your active roster while still hurt for 2-3 weeks.
The chances of the right injury happening to use the spot diminish as every week goes by and the returns to use the spot diminish as every week goes by.
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I think people are underestimating how important Quarless' role is in our sub-packages on offense. He's transformed himself into a great run-blocker over the years and he's always the guy in the backfield when we run the 2-TE pistol formation that was so effective for the first couple games.
I think it's a bigger injury than most I guess. You pretty much just have Dick-rod and a rookie 6th rounder as your only two TEs. I wonder if they try and move Ripkowski around and maybe even give him some snaps at TE. I mean, he does have the size (6'1, 257) and he did run a 4.69 at the combine...
Edit: Also, Quarless is still only 26?
I think it's a bigger injury than most I guess. You pretty much just have Dick-rod and a rookie 6th rounder as your only two TEs. I wonder if they try and move Ripkowski around and maybe even give him some snaps at TE. I mean, he does have the size (6'1, 257) and he did run a 4.69 at the combine...
Edit: Also, Quarless is still only 26?
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Quarless' suspension is also looming. Maybe they decided that he'd get his suspension out of the way before the playoffs or at least by the end of the season instead of the start of next year. He just had his court date on the 21st. He can serve his suspension while on the IR since he'll just not get paid while he is out.
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Can you really serve a suspension from IR? That doesn't seem right.
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emunney wrote:Can you really serve a suspension from IR? That doesn't seem right.
It's monetary based, and he is already missing games. He just doesn't get paid for being injured now.
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Yeah, you're right. Hopefully the league doesn't drag its feet.
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emunney wrote:Yeah, you're right. Hopefully the league doesn't drag its feet.
Yeah it makes me think he won't appeal if it's like 4 games and will try to expedite it. Who know though if Goodell will make it a year long suspension or something. I doubt it but crazier things have happened.
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El Duderino wrote:WiscoKing13 wrote:I like andrew and I understand we need the roster the spots for Guion. You have Gaston, Taylor, Banjo, and Goodson who all should be cut before you make this move.
I don't think they'd consider cutting either of Banjo and Taylor at any point. Banjo is a core ST player and with Burnett hurt last week, Banjo got snaps on defense. Taylor is the backup guard unless i missed Tretter being named the first backup at both guard and center. Hell, even if Tretter was the top backup at both spots, we'd still need another backup interior lineman.
You also have walker, who's on the FG team and I don't believe Taylor is
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