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Post#161 » by RRyder823 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:25 am

zmanishere11 wrote:This has got to be one of the more important off-seasons in this franchises history.

TT's approach can work, but the fundamental flaw is you have to be literally perfect, and the reality is he just hasn't been. The last 2 drafts lack anyone who could be considered a playmaker on either side of the ball. Just last year in free agency - he let Hayward walk (looking like a top 10 CB at $5 mil a year), while keeping Peppers at twice that, and paying that same $5 mil to Starks / Cook.

My nightmare scenario is: no change up top (TT / MM), we pay any of Nick Perry / Datone Jones / Micah Hyde, bring back Lacy on a 1 year deal, and we keep paying 17% of our cap to Cobb / CM3.


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Post#162 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:08 pm

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Andy Reid gave it his all for 14 seasons in Philadelphia, took a pink slip without recrimination from management and within five days was resurrecting his coaching career in Kansas City.

Unless the Green Bay Packers turn their season around in the next five weeks it’s possible that the eerie parallels between Mike McCarthy and Reid could extend to the Packers coach starting over in another NFL city next year.

It was just 2½ years ago that the Village of Ashwaubenon renamed a 0.6-mile stretch of Potts Avenue as Mike McCarthy. Village officials had considered using McCarthy’s name on other, much longer thoroughfares.

The honor made McCarthy the fourth of the team’s five coaches with a winning record to have a street in Brown County named after him. There’s also Lambeau Street, Lombardi Avenue and Holmgren Way.

Curly Lambeau in 1950, Vince Lombardi in 1969 and Mike Holmgren in 1999 all resigned their positions in Green Bay to coach other NFL teams. McCarthy, whose contract reportedly runs through the 2018 season, wouldn’t depart voluntarily from a job he has called the best in the league.

The Packers started the season with the best odds to win the Super Bowl, according to Bovada Sportsbook. They’ve lost five of the last six games and have fallen to 4-6, leaving them and the Carolina Panthers as the two most disappointing teams in the NFL.

“The team is obviously in a funk and it doesn’t look as if they can get out of it,” an executive in personnel said after watching the Packers’ 42-24 loss last Sunday night in Washington. “They have players, but the coaches cannot seem to get them to play.

“When a player the caliber of (Clay) Matthews is rendered useless, it shows that there is no urgency whatsoever on the team. The fact is amazing because of the talent on the team. That comes back to coaching.”

The Packers haven’t played a great game since Week 2 of the 2015 season. They probably still have a chance to win the NFC North because Detroit and Minnesota have flaws, but that likely would require at least five victories in the final six games.

It’s entirely possible that McCarthy’s future would be determined not only by his team’s record down the stretch but also by its performance level. If the Packers aren’t even competitive, the drumbeat for a coaching change and perhaps the ouster of general manager Ted Thompson as well will only grow louder.

There’s no doubt that some of the 45 members on the Packers’ board of directors already have called team president Mark Murphy to voice their feelings. The volume and intensity of those calls will increase if the Packers continue their downward spiral and are eliminated from playoff contention.

One top personnel man for an NFC team said last week that he was surprised there was considerable fan unrest in the NFL’s smallest city.

“How can they make changes?” he said. “They’ve been in the playoffs seven years in a row. You usually get raises when that happens.

“Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes a change you just need. But the guy (McCarthy) has done a pretty good job … a really good job.”

McCarthy, who inherited a 4-12 team from Mike Sherman in 2006, holds a 116-68-1 record (.630). Only three coaches in club history -- Lombardi (.766), Holmgren (.667) and Lambeau (.667) -- have won at a higher rate.

He’s also won five division titles, and his 8-7 playoff record is highlighted by the franchise’s 13th NFL championship in 2010.

Reid, who inherited a 3-13 team from Ray Rhodes in 1999, posted a 140-102-1 (.578) mark in Philadelphia, the second-best winning percentage in Eagles’ history.

He won six division titles, and his 10-9 playoff record included five appearances in the NFC championship game. Like McCarthy, he coached in one Super Bowl. Unlike McCarthy, the Eagles lost, to the New England Patriots, in 2004.

The comparison between McCarthy and Reid is appropriate because of their similar records, their similar offensive backgrounds and their unusually long stays, at least in this era, with one team.

When owner Jeffrey Lurie fired Reid the day after the Eagles finished 4-12 in 2012, his 14 years in Philadelphia made him the NFL’s longest-tenured coach.

Today, McCarthy’s 11 seasons in Green Bay place him third behind Bill Belichick’s 17 in New England and Marvin Lewis’ 14 in Cincinnati.

It’s understood in the NFL coaching profession that you’re effectively hired to be fired. The Packers, with just two coaches in the last 17 years, have been immune to the spate of terminations that afflict almost every other franchise every few years.

Axing a Super Bowl-winning coach such as McCarthy would be a big deal. However, it might not spawn the bitterness that the firings of Bart Starr, Lindy Infante, Ray Rhodes and Sherman did.

McCarthy, 53, would land on his feet within a matter of days. It’s almost a foregone conclusion that he would have his pick of NFL openings, and many of his assistant coaches probably would go right along with him.

Reid, the tight ends coach for five years and quarterbacks coach for two under Holmgren in Green Bay, was fired in as kindly a manner as one could imagine.

Lurie met with Reid, reminisced about their wonderful run together and hugged him. Reid didn’t appear at a news conference but Lurie did, saying he looked forward to the day the former coach would be inducted into the Eagles' Ring of Honor.

The Arizona Cardinals and the San Diego Cardinals were interested but Reid fell in love with Kansas City, where owner Clark Hunt had fired GM Scott Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel after a 2-14 season.

Reid accepted a five-year contract reportedly worth about $7 million per year, and all seemed to have been forgotten in Philly.

“I have nothing but good things and good experiences in Philadelphia,” Reid said in his introductory remarks. “Phenomenal people. I can leave saying we had some great years there, man.

“We were there a long time … I was there a long time. We were blessed to be there. Sometimes change is good. I think it is going to be tremendous for the Philadelphia Eagles, and then on the other hand I think it is going to be tremendous for the Kansas City Chiefs.”

Reid’s son, Garrett, was found dead of a heroin overdose in a dorm room at the Eagles’ training site early in his final season. Holmgren advised Reid that he should step down for his own welfare.

Reid would hear none of it, and plunged ahead into what became a disastrous last year amid reports of players quitting and internal strife. The Eagles’ four victories were by a total of six points.

Six months later, ESPN dispatched a reporter to Chiefs camp in St. Joseph, Mo., and found a much happier and stress-free coach.

“I think, sometimes, change is good,” Reid told Ashley Fox. “Personally, I feel good. I’m enjoying this. It’s good to be challenged.

“When you’re some place a long time, you know the routine, and sometimes getting out of that routine can be good. Brings a little energy, maybe.”

Reid, who was the Associated Press coach of the year in 2002, could have won the award in 2013 when the Chiefs improved from two wins to 11 and made the playoffs.

Under his steely direction, Reid has posted a 39-22 (.639) record in Kansas City with the ultimate game manager at quarterback in Alex Smith. He’s back calling the plays, which he had given up with the Eagles in about ’09, and watching as GM John Dorsey, his former colleague in Green Bay, picks all the players.

When Reid successfully ran off personnel chief Tom Modrak after his third draft in Philadelphia, he would serve as his own GM until being fired.

All personnel decisions are made by Thompson, which is the essential difference between McCarthy in Green Bay and Reid in Philadelphia.

It’s a close call which of the two is better organizationally, designing an offense, directing a staff, teaching and motivating players, leading and calling plays.

McCarthy probably runs a crisper game on Sundays. Reid puts McCarthy to shame when it comes to the performance of special teams.

Perhaps the two best moves Reid made in Philadelphia occurred in his first four months with the hiring of Jim Johnson as defensive coordinator and the drafting of quarterback Donovan McNabb. McCarthy inherited Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, and has leaned heavily for the last eight years on his own veteran defensive coordinator, Dom Capers.

In retrospect, Lurie should have moved on from Reid one year earlier than he did.

In 2011, Reid stepped out of character to assemble the free-agent cast quarterback Vince Young dubbed the “dream team” that included ex-Packer Cullen Jenkins. It was a catastrophe at 4-8, but when the Eagles swept their last four games for a .500 finish a disappointed Lurie still brought Reid back for 2012.

Turnover differential, the vital barometer of winning and losing, reveals so much about Reid and McCarthy.

From 1999-2010, the Eagles’ plus-59 turnover differential ranked third in the NFL. There’s no better indicator to explain how Reid lost touch in his final two seasons than his turnover differentials of minus-14 and minus-24.

That minus-38 was worst in the NFL in 2011-'12. Sherman was fired in Green Bay after his turnover differentials were the exact same minus-14 and minus-24 in his last two years.

Why is Reid winning now with Smith as his quarterback and without running back Jamaal Charles for the bulk of a second straight season?

Because he’s regained his touch with plus-42 in turnover differential over the last 3½ years, second in the NFL to Seattle’s plus-43. Kansas City went from minus-24 under Crennel one year to plus-18 under Reid the next.

Dennis Green was plus-53 in his first seven seasons with the Vikings before minus-37 in his last three seasons got him fired.

Pittsburgh’s Bill Cowher was plus-80 in his first 14 years before minus-8 in 2006 led to his departure.

Mike Shanahan was plus-41 in his first 13 years with Denver before minus-17 in 2008 got him canned.

Baltimore’s Brian Billick couldn’t survive minus-17 in 2007 after piling up plus-35 in his first eight years.

As a beat-writing neophyte, I used to think turnovers were in large part luck. Holmgren’s demands in this area changed my thinking, but then McCarthy took it to an entirely new level.

From 2006-15, McCarthy’s Packers ranked second to New England at plus-92. The third-place teams were way back at plus-36.

McCarthy told me several times that good fortune has nothing to do with turnover differential. As I’ve learned, securing the football and taking the football away are byproducts of organizational emphasis, superior coaching and discipline throughout the ranks.

Watching Sherman’s last two teams fall completely apart in giveaway-takeaway made for a case study in how a team playing good football can start playing bad football almost overnight.

McCarthy is well aware why the Packers are where they are. At minus-6, Green Bay is tied for 26th in the NFL in turnover differential, a statistical neighborhood that everyone in the industry understands leads to failure and lost jobs.

When long-time coaches lose the attention of their players, turnover differentials and seasons flutter out of control. Reid experienced what McCarthy appears to be experiencing now.
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Post#163 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:11 pm

^^^^ Side note, aren't there editors or proofreaders anymore? San Diego Cardinals?
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Post#164 » by humanrefutation » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:45 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:^^^^ Side note, aren't there editors or proofreaders anymore? San Diego Cardinals?


Knowing the state of print media...probably not. :lol:
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Post#165 » by GBPackers47 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:52 pm

zmanishere11 wrote:Just last year in free agency - he let Hayward walk (looking like a top 10 CB at $5 mil a year), while keeping Peppers at twice that, and paying that same $5 mil to Starks / Cook.


I still don't have any issues with TT letting Casey walk because of how we were entering this season. It looks like a bad deal now because Casey is playing at a high level and it's anyones guess who will be our starting CBs each week. We were entering the season with our no. 1 in Shields and two young guys who showed promise in Randall and Rollins. Obviously no one expected all three of them to miss as much time as they did. Where TT failed was not properly addressing our 4, 5 and potentially even 6 CBs. Hayward also had a very up and down career in GB. He showed tremendous potential his rookie year, missed a ton of time due to injury and then wasn't anything special last year. I don't know if anyone would predict he would lead the league in INT up to this point.
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Post#166 » by msiris » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:24 am

I want a change. New blood. One Superbowl with a future hall of fame QB. MM is just riding the coattails of ARod. TT has failed time again and again drafting play makers on defense or signing FAs to chore it up. If you are happy with lots of regular season wins and Division Titles and a few playoff wins good for you. MM and TT are not irreplaceable.
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Post#168 » by Profound23 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:57 am

35 mil in cap space

Perry, Tretter, Lang, Cook, Hyde, rookies......
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Post#169 » by HKPackFan » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:40 am

Profound23 wrote:35 mil in cap space

Perry, Tretter, Lang, Cook, Hyde, rookies......


I want Perry and Cook back. Lang depends on his foot, that needs to be looked at. Hyde on a cheaper deal, don't pay him too much.


Perry I'm hesitant to pay him huge money as well, he's had 1 good year out of 5, but I want him back.
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Post#170 » by thomchatt3rton » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:02 am

Doesn't Rodgers have enough leverage to force TT to alter his M.O. for building a team and actually go out and get guys to address our needs?
I have to think if he went to someone and said "Im sick of this crap." theyd have to listen, wouldn't they?
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thomchatt3rton wrote:Doesn't Rodgers have enough leverage to force TT to alter his M.O. for building a team and actually go out and get guys to address our needs?
I have to think if he went to someone and said "Im sick of this crap." theyd have to listen, wouldn't they?



TT didn't listen to Favre, and Favre was a God in GB. He was the face of the franchise and universally worshipped before the Vikings stuff and Croc stuff came up. Would not surprise me if Rodgers walked into TT's room, and TT shrugs his shoulders and continues his MO after Rodgers walks out.
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Post#172 » by thomchatt3rton » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:29 am

HKPackFan wrote:
thomchatt3rton wrote:Doesn't Rodgers have enough leverage to force TT to alter his M.O. for building a team and actually go out and get guys to address our needs?
I have to think if he went to someone and said "Im sick of this crap." theyd have to listen, wouldn't they?



TT didn't listen to Favre, and Favre was a God in GB. He was the face of the franchise and universally worshipped before the Vikings stuff and Croc stuff came up. Would not surprise me if Rodgers walked into TT's room, and TT shrugs his shoulders and continues his MO after Rodgers walks out.


Good point. TT didn't listen to Rodgers about Marshawn Lynch as well.

But I wonder how much pressure Rodgers has exerted. Maybe he could exert some more. Plus, with TT on his way out...
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Post#173 » by HKPackFan » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:32 am

thomchatt3rton wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:
thomchatt3rton wrote:Doesn't Rodgers have enough leverage to force TT to alter his M.O. for building a team and actually go out and get guys to address our needs?
I have to think if he went to someone and said "Im sick of this crap." theyd have to listen, wouldn't they?



TT didn't listen to Favre, and Favre was a God in GB. He was the face of the franchise and universally worshipped before the Vikings stuff and Croc stuff came up. Would not surprise me if Rodgers walked into TT's room, and TT shrugs his shoulders and continues his MO after Rodgers walks out.


Good point. TT didn't listen to Rodgers about Marshawn Lynch as well.

But I wonder how much pressure Rodgers has exerted. Maybe he could exert some more. Plus, with TT on his way out...


Maybe needs to go over TT's head and talk to Mark Murphy. Not sure how dickish of a move that is, but Mark has been happy sitting on the sidelines for a while now, he's going to have to make some big decisions soon.
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Post#174 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:48 am

The only decisions Murphy has had to make were business decisions about the Titletown district. He inherited Thompson, McCarthy, Favre and Rodgers. It's not his fault of course, he got lucky. But soon he'll make the most important decision of his tenure on who the new GM will be. No one will remember or care who made decisions on what land to buy and develop around Lambeau but they'll remember who the next GM is and who hired him.
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Post#175 » by thomchatt3rton » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:14 am

HKPackFan wrote:
thomchatt3rton wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:

TT didn't listen to Favre, and Favre was a God in GB. He was the face of the franchise and universally worshipped before the Vikings stuff and Croc stuff came up. Would not surprise me if Rodgers walked into TT's room, and TT shrugs his shoulders and continues his MO after Rodgers walks out.


Good point. TT didn't listen to Rodgers about Marshawn Lynch as well.

But I wonder how much pressure Rodgers has exerted. Maybe he could exert some more. Plus, with TT on his way out...


Maybe needs to go over TT's head and talk to Mark Murphy. Not sure how dickish of a move that is, but Mark has been happy sitting on the sidelines for a while now, he's going to have to make some big decisions soon.


I suppose what I said was kind of silly- what would Aaron say to TT- "I demand you use FAgency to make the team better right away!"? Even if Ted agreed in principle, that's no guarantee that he could actually, you know, use FAgency to magically make the team better right away. :lol:
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Post#176 » by dedned » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:17 pm

HKPackFan wrote:
thomchatt3rton wrote:Doesn't Rodgers have enough leverage to force TT to alter his M.O. for building a team and actually go out and get guys to address our needs?
I have to think if he went to someone and said "Im sick of this crap." theyd have to listen, wouldn't they?



TT didn't listen to Favre, and Favre was a God in GB. He was the face of the franchise and universally worshipped before the Vikings stuff and Croc stuff came up. Would not surprise me if Rodgers walked into TT's room, and TT shrugs his shoulders and continues his MO after Rodgers walks out.

He did sign Chuck after Favre complained. But he also offered the same contract to LaVar Arrington. We are lucky Woodson said yes first.
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Post#177 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:07 pm

I come back to this every year - I think MM is "decent" among the list of 32 coaches and from the pool that we'd probably hire from. I've never minded keeping him around just due to continuity being fine.

He is probably in a pool of about 25 or so current coaches that don't really care about the odds of when to go for it, etc. I always feel that it is unrealistic to imagine that we would be smart enough to hire somebody that plays the odds correctly, especially when MM has the resume that most of the public would say is insane to fire him for.

All of that said, you have to go for it on 4th down on that first drive even when it's 7-0 and that FG is makeable and most of the other 4th downs. It's the same thing as punting conservatively if you know you have a good defense - you know that you're giving up 30+ points and you have Aaron Rodgers on your side...you play aggressive as hell knowing that. You're an underdog for a reason. Half of us on this board were saying - and if polled before the game - would probably assume we stop the Falcons twice all game for a punt, tops. You have to know that and go for it every time. 3 isn't going to do much for you.

In the end we get boat raced regardless and the RIP fumble didn't help - but it would be refreshing to see a coach that understands this.
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Post#178 » by Wiscfan92 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:19 pm

Tough way to end the season, but damn what a season. I know we fell short of the ultimate goal, but I'd take appearing in the NFC title game after a 4-6 start every year. Got to make some key signings this offseason on D to get back to the bowl.
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Post#179 » by msiris » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:01 am

Wiscfan92 wrote:Tough way to end the season, but damn what a season. I know we fell short of the ultimate goal, but I'd take appearing in the NFC title game after a 4-6 start every year. Got to make some key signings this offseason on D to get back to the bowl.
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Post#180 » by jlyons043 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:38 am

We can't fix this defense with only one offseason. Who are the expected starters for next year anyway?

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