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Post#1 » by rickrolled » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:29 am

Additions:

Dwayne Allen
Brandin Cooks
Stephon Gilmore
Kony Ealy

Departures:

Bennett
Ryan
Sheard

Re-signed:

Branch, Harmon, Develin

Free agents:

Blount, Long, Hightower

Have to get back Hightower, hope Butler stays too. Love LG, hope he stays as well.

I can't believe we got better already. If Browns are the Browns I know they'd trade #1 overall pick for Garoppolo. The money left on the cap is 30+ million. Butler could leave though, not sure the Patriots would match any 10+ million per year offer for him. But we'd get a 1st rounder.
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Post#2 » by Kalela » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:52 am

I hope they resign Blount. Favorite player on that team.
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Post#3 » by Froob » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:04 am

Get High and Butler back and wow...I hate giving up so much for Cooks but that's a hell of a pickup. Hope he fits. We always get big time players in the first round.
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Post#4 » by London2Boston » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:28 am

Gonna need Oracle Froob's opinion before I place any bets.
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Post#5 » by Froob » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:31 am

London2Boston wrote:Gonna need Oracle Froob's opinion before I place any bets.

A second dynasty is on the way, going for 3 in 4 again.
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Post#6 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:04 am

I unfortunately had to stop being a Patriots fan, now that anything good for Bill Belichick's reputation is bad for our country.

Even so, I can't help being interested in his team-building machinations. He's outstanding at it, and anyway I rooted for those guys as recently as November.
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Post#7 » by Homerclease » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:51 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:I unfortunately had to stop being a Patriots fan, now that anything good for Bill Belichick's reputation is bad for our country.

Even so, I can't help being interested in his team-building machinations. He's outstanding at it, and anyway I rooted for those guys as recently as November.

What does that even mean?
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Post#8 » by jfs1000d » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:13 pm

Froob wrote:
London2Boston wrote:Gonna need Oracle Froob's opinion before I place any bets.

A second dynasty is on the way, going for 3 in 4 again.

Probably not. This is one final reload for tom Brady's final 2 years.


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Fencer reregistered wrote:I unfortunately had to stop being a Patriots fan, now that anything good for Bill Belichick's reputation is bad for our country.

Even so, I can't help being interested in his team-building machinations. He's outstanding at it, and anyway I rooted for those guys as recently as November.

What does that even mean?


Bill Belichick personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump.

That messaging of Trump's, and its widespread acceptance, is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our democracy. I hope that Donald Trump Sr., Donald Trump Jr., Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and everybody else complicit in that fall into and stay in disgrace for the rest of their lives, starting as soon as possible. Bill Belichick is included on that list.
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Post#10 » by Homerclease » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:09 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:I unfortunately had to stop being a Patriots fan, now that anything good for Bill Belichick's reputation is bad for our country.

Even so, I can't help being interested in his team-building machinations. He's outstanding at it, and anyway I rooted for those guys as recently as November.

What does that even mean?


Bill Belichick personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump.

That messaging of Trump's, and its widespread acceptance, is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our democracy. I hope that Donald Trump Sr., Donald Trump Jr., Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and everybody else complicit in that fall into and stay in disgrace for the rest of their lives, starting as soon as possible. Bill Belichick is included on that list.

Coming from a Giants fan, that's ridiculous and you were never really a pats fan to begin with. Sorry.
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Post#11 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:46 am

Homerclease wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Homerclease wrote:What does that even mean?


Bill Belichick personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump.

That messaging of Trump's, and its widespread acceptance, is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our democracy. I hope that Donald Trump Sr., Donald Trump Jr., Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and everybody else complicit in that fall into and stay in disgrace for the rest of their lives, starting as soon as possible. Bill Belichick is included on that list.

Coming from a Giants fan, that's ridiculous and you were never really a pats fan to begin with. Sorry.


I think it's more likely that you're not a patriotic (no pun intended) American.

The well-being of my country (and of the world) are more important to me than are spectator sports. Your priorities seem to be different.
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Post#12 » by Homerclease » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:52 am

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Bill Belichick personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump.

That messaging of Trump's, and its widespread acceptance, is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our democracy. I hope that Donald Trump Sr., Donald Trump Jr., Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and everybody else complicit in that fall into and stay in disgrace for the rest of their lives, starting as soon as possible. Bill Belichick is included on that list.

Coming from a Giants fan, that's ridiculous and you were never really a pats fan to begin with. Sorry.


I think it's more likely that you're not a patriotic (no pun intended) American.

The well-being of my country (and of the world) are more important to me than are spectator sports. Your priorities seem to be different.

Sports and politics have nothing to do with eachother. The fact that you can't separate the two is your own problem, regardless of people's opinions on whatever policy you may choose. The fact you can't follow the pats because someone shares a different political viewpoint is a joke. Childish even.
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Post#13 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:13 pm

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Homerclease wrote:Coming from a Giants fan, that's ridiculous and you were never really a pats fan to begin with. Sorry.


I think it's more likely that you're not a patriotic (no pun intended) American.

The well-being of my country (and of the world) are more important to me than are spectator sports. Your priorities seem to be different.

Sports and politics have nothing to do with eachother. The fact that you can't separate the two is your own problem, regardless of people's opinions on whatever policy you may choose. The fact you can't follow the pats because someone shares a different political viewpoint is a joke. Childish even.


You misunderstood me. My biggest issue is not that he disagrees with me. Rather, it's that he told damaging lies to the public, supposedly based on his personal knowledge. I.e, he is using his well-earned good reputation to damage the country, dishonestly.

It is true that, as a general rule, I have very little respect for any Trump supporter. But I can make an exception for the guy's personal friends, such as Kraft, Belichick and Brady. Besides, Kraft and Brady did the right thing -- admitted their friendship, but didn't turn it into outright political endorsement.

What I can't accept is Belichick's personal contribution to one of the biggest problems of Trump's ascendancy -- the vilification of truth itself. I want Belichick's reputation to diminish as quickly as possible, and hence I want the Pats to fail.
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Post#14 » by Homerclease » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:44 pm

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Homerclease wrote:
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I think it's more likely that you're not a patriotic (no pun intended) American.

The well-being of my country (and of the world) are more important to me than are spectator sports. Your priorities seem to be different.

Sports and politics have nothing to do with eachother. The fact that you can't separate the two is your own problem, regardless of people's opinions on whatever policy you may choose. The fact you can't follow the pats because someone shares a different political viewpoint is a joke. Childish even.


You misunderstood me. My biggest issue is not that he disagrees with me. Rather, it's that he told damaging lies to the public, supposedly based on his personal knowledge. I.e, he is using his well-earned good reputation to damage the country, dishonestly.

It is true that, as a general rule, I have very little respect for any Trump supporter. But I can make an exception for the guy's personal friends, such as Kraft, Belichick and Brady. Besides, Kraft and Brady did the right thing -- admitted their friendship, but didn't turn it into outright political endorsement.

What I can't accept is Belichick's personal contribution to one of the biggest problems of Trump's ascendancy -- the vilification of truth itself. I want Belichick's reputation to diminish as quickly as possible, and hence I want the Pats to fail.

By writing a private letter to a friend? That's a leap the size of the Grand Canyon. Especially after you just put a guy on blast on our forum for extrapolating Ainges thoughts on how a deadline acquisition would fit with the team.

I'm a liberal and i was a sanders guy, I have no love for trump but it's this kind of liberalism that gives the entire cause a bad name.
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Post#15 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:45 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Sports and politics have nothing to do with eachother. The fact that you can't separate the two is your own problem, regardless of people's opinions on whatever policy you may choose. The fact you can't follow the pats because someone shares a different political viewpoint is a joke. Childish even.


You misunderstood me. My biggest issue is not that he disagrees with me. Rather, it's that he told damaging lies to the public, supposedly based on his personal knowledge. I.e, he is using his well-earned good reputation to damage the country, dishonestly.

It is true that, as a general rule, I have very little respect for any Trump supporter. But I can make an exception for the guy's personal friends, such as Kraft, Belichick and Brady. Besides, Kraft and Brady did the right thing -- admitted their friendship, but didn't turn it into outright political endorsement.

What I can't accept is Belichick's personal contribution to one of the biggest problems of Trump's ascendancy -- the vilification of truth itself. I want Belichick's reputation to diminish as quickly as possible, and hence I want the Pats to fail.

By writing a private letter to a friend? That's a leap the size of the Grand Canyon. Especially after you just put a guy on blast on our forum for extrapolating Ainges thoughts on how a deadline acquisition would fit with the team.

I'm a liberal and i was a sanders guy, I have no love for trump but it's this kind of liberalism that gives the entire cause a bad name.


It was public, meant to be read at a political rally and reported in the press. BB confirmed that shortly after the occasion.
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Post#16 » by soxfan2003 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:15 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:I unfortunately had to stop being a Patriots fan, now that anything good for Bill Belichick's reputation is bad for our country.

Even so, I can't help being interested in his team-building machinations. He's outstanding at it, and anyway I rooted for those guys as recently as November.

What does that even mean?


Bill Belichick personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump.

That messaging of Trump's, and its widespread acceptance, is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our democracy. I hope that Donald Trump Sr., Donald Trump Jr., Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and everybody else complicit in that fall into and stay in disgrace for the rest of their lives, starting as soon as possible. Bill Belichick is included on that list.


I may have missed something but when did BB "personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump."?

Below are the exact words of his letter and many liberals who feel Trump is a liar would concede what BB said about media bias can also very very true as well. Something like 95-98%+ of the newspapers tracked endorsed HRC. I acknowledge that Trump during the campaign told more lies than HRC. But that doesn't mean the media can't still be heavily biased against Trump in calling him a fascist et cetera and pretty much lying/wildly exaggerating about what he is likely to do.

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"Congratulations on a tremendous campaign. You have dealt with an unbelievable slanted and negative media, and have come out beautifully – beautifully. You’ve proved to be the ultimate competitor and fighter. Your leadership is amazing. I have always had tremendous respect for you, but the toughness and perseverance you have displayed over the past year is remarkable. Hopefully tomorrow’s election results will give the opportunity to make America great again. Best wishes for great results tomorrow.

Bill"
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He is clearly supporting Trump and wishing him well but at the same time not stating a clear Trump lie is the truth and at least in that note he isn't stating that Trump hasn't lied during the campaign himself.

This is what BB said afterwords.

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“Our friendship goes back many years,” Belichick said at a news conference. “Anybody who spends more than five minutes with me knows I’m not a political person. My comments are not politically motivated. I have a friendship with Donald.”

Trump told supporters at a New Hampshire rally Monday night that he had the support of both Belichick and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

“I write hundreds of letters and notes every month. It doesn’t mean I agree with every single thing a person thinks about politics, religion and other subjects,” Belichick said. “I have multiple friendships that are important to me. That’s what that is all about. It’s not about politics. It’s about football. We have a huge football game this week against a great team, a great organization. That’s where it all is going forward.”

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“I’ve received a number of inquiries relative to a note that I wrote to Donald on Monday,” he said. “Our friendship goes back many years and I think anybody that’s spent more than five minutes with me knows I’m not a political person. The comments are not politically motivated, I have a friendship and loyalty to Donald.

“[A] couple of weeks ago, we had Secretary of State [John] Kerry in our locker room. That’s another friend of mine. I can’t imagine two people with more different political views than those two, but to me friendship and loyalty is just about that. It’s not about political or religious views.

“I write hundreds of letters and notes every month. [It] doesn’t mean I agree with every single thing that every person thinks about politics, religion or other subjects. I have multiple friendships that are important to me. That’s what that was about.

“It’s not about politics, it’s about football. We’ve got a huge game this week against a great football team and a great organization . . .”
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Truth is Trump can be a liar and the media can be heavily biased against him as well and also be printing a bunch of misleading stories. Most mainstream media members are liberal and they tend to be biased towards that point of view. Trump tells more outright lies as a percentage of his statements than the mainstream media. I won't deny that but the media usually slants the coverage to favor Democrats but in this election it was to such a large degree that even something like 40% of Dems when polled said the media was favoring her with the coverage.

And yes Hannity/Limbaugh et cetera are all heavily biased to the Republicans but at least in their defense, they don't pretend to be impartial when they obviously are not. A liberal like Rachel Maddow probably doesn't really pretend either but a bunch of CNN/NY Times/Washington Post people do.

And for the record, it really isn't even clear if BB truly wanted to make his letter public. He may have sent it at the last second hoping Trump wouldn't use it but just wanting to be on the record wishing his friend good luck and supporting him. Trump then possibly calls him up and asks can I mention the letter in a campaign rally and its hard to say no to that if you really are his friend.

Let's face it if he really wanted to support him as much as possible, he campaigns with him like Bobby Knight did in the summer.
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Post#17 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:57 pm

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Homerclease wrote:What does that even mean?


Bill Belichick personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump.

That messaging of Trump's, and its widespread acceptance, is one of the most damaging things that has ever happened to our democracy. I hope that Donald Trump Sr., Donald Trump Jr., Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and everybody else complicit in that fall into and stay in disgrace for the rest of their lives, starting as soon as possible. Bill Belichick is included on that list.


I may have missed something but when did BB "personally put his reputation behind Trump's claim that, when the media reported on Trump's wrongdoing, they were the liars rather than Trump."?

Below are the exact words of his letter and many liberals who feel Trump is a liar would concede what BB said about media bias can also very very true as well. Something like 95-98%+ of the newspapers tracked endorsed HRC. I acknowledge that Trump during the campaign told more lies than HRC. But that doesn't mean the media can't still be heavily biased against Trump in calling him a fascist et cetera and pretty much lying/wildly exaggerating about what he is likely to do.

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Total lie, destructive to our country, which evidently has even ensnared you. Whatever its bias or other flaws, the media didn't hit Trump hard ENOUGH. Claiming that the dishonesty or dangers of Clinton and Trump are comparable is an intellectual and/or moral failure. In the case of BB, I judge it to be more on the moral side. In your case, I'm guessing it to be more intellectual.

And for the record, it really isn't even clear if BB truly wanted to make his letter public. He may have sent it at the last second hoping Trump wouldn't use it but just wanting to be on the record wishing his friend good luck and supporting him. Trump then possibly calls him up and asks can I mention the letter in a campaign rally and its hard to say no to that if you really are his friend.

“If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country.”
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Well, Trump may be BB's friend, but he isn't mine. If BB chooses betraying his country -- and indeed betraying the last 300 years of human progress -- over not helping his friend politically, fine. But I want him to fail. I want Ivanka Trump's businesses to fail in a humiliating way. Ditto Jared Kushner's. I want nothing but bad to happen to the public reputation of those who use their reputation to generally oppose logic and facts.




I suspect that we're going pretty far afield for a sports message board, but that's the essence of it.

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