2012/13 Random Trade Thoughts

[Jake0890]

Dubs fan here.....

Would you guys be interested in Barnes+Biedrins for Danny??

No. Attaching Barnes to Biedrins' contract really kills it. Not so sure about Barnes as well. Done pretty well in summer league, but it is only summer league.

In theory, maybe a deal for Barnes and usable filler, or no other contracts (cutting salary). However, if we're taking Biedrins, I want additional value to make up for him. Barnes is the value for Danny, where's the value for being stuck with Beans?

Barnes' Value < Danny's Value

Definitely not a worthwhile trade for us. Not only would we be totally killing the chemistry our team has going for it, but I just don't see the value.

[jarryd3107]

^ agreed, I think Barnes's ceiling looks a lot like Danny Granger, maybe a tad higher. But we've already got DG. If we're going to swap DG for a rookie, it has to be a 2-guard so PG can move to the 3.

[Boneman2]

^ agreed, I think Barnes's ceiling looks a lot like Danny Granger, maybe a tad higher. But we've already got DG. If we're going to swap DG for a rookie, it has to be a 2-guard so PG can move to the 3.

A 2 would be nice, but I wouldn't argrue with Barnes + Green. Note: Filler can't be negative value like Beans or DLee. The extra value would in fact be the capspace.

[Wizop]

a wing is pretty much a wing in our system at least on offense. PG can guard 2's so there is no reason to move him to 3. it is an advantage to have a player who can guard his position but is a tough matchup for the typical player at that position. Paul should be able to post up most 2's and if he can drive around most 3's so much the better. the pro game is all about creating mismatches off screens.

Paul did play some three last year when DG was resting. I advocated replacing D Jones with a three to minimize that need. I'm happy we got Green and not Mayo because I wanted a 3 not a 2. I preferred Lee to Mayo for that reason too.

in any event, I don't expect to be shopping Granger any time soon. we can revisit this in the final year of his contract.

[Scoot McGroot]

^ agreed, I think Barnes's ceiling looks a lot like Danny Granger, maybe a tad higher. But we've already got DG. If we're going to swap DG for a rookie, it has to be a 2-guard so PG can move to the 3.

A 2 would be nice, but I wouldn't argrue with Barnes + Green. Note: Filler can't be negative value like Beans or DLee. The extra value would in fact be the capspace.

Golden State would HAVE to include either Jefferson, Biedrins, or another big contract like Bogut or Lee (neither of these two are happening) in order to legal complete a deal of Barnes + for Granger.

[basketballwacko2]

^^From a salary stand point but If we are taking a Jefferson or Biedrens there would have to be some sweatner and I'm not sure that there is enough to get me to bite down on that. Either of them is/are pretty useless.

I don't see any reason to move granger right now unless the deal is just knock your hat off good. I can't see it happening this season. I want to give this group another season together, with the new additions to see what they can do. Then we can tinker with the bigger pieces if we need.

[8305]

The Pacers have one glaring weakness that is discussed all the time, the need for someone who can create his own shot off the dribble. Unless the trade target brings that skill I can't see any starter being traded let alone our best pure scorer (Granger). Given this team's improvement potential and the level at which they played last year the logical approach is to play with what we have. So don't expect any blockbusters moving key pieces.

[Scoot McGroot]

So.....

Dwight Howard and Andre Iguodala out of the East and Andrew Bynum in? I'll take that swap.

Orlando is getting hosed in this deal. Average youth in Harkless and Vucevich and 3 average to below average 1st round picks? Consolidate guys! They only get to dump Jason Richardson, too, it seems.

Still seems like the Lakers are living in the lap of luxury. Bynum + weak 1st for Dwight Howard? Crazy how they can get anything they want.

[Wizop]

Orlando went for cap space over talent. I do like Harkless and Vucevich though.

Heard a bit of Cowherd on the radio driving around this am. I normally don't like him but I was in the car and he was on. anyway, he was saying the NBA had 13 good teams for this season and listed the top 5 or 6 which included us. at least we're getting noticed.

[Jake0890]

Orlando went for cap space over talent. I do like Harkless and Vucevich though.

Heard a bit of Cowherd on the radio driving around this am. I normally don't like him but I was in the car and he was on. anyway, he was saying the NBA had 13 good teams for this season and listed the top 5 or 6 which included us. at least we're getting noticed.

They didn't get cap space though. Afflalo and Harrington combined cost almost as much as Howard. The magic really didn't do well in this one, and I think it was a mistake for the 76ers to want Bynum after signing Spencer hawes and signing kwame Brown. I'll be thoroughly shocked if Bynum stays after this year in Philly.

[Wizop]

I never have understood why Philly wanted to dump Iggy so much. Hawes can play 4 with Bynum at 5 though.

Orlando is just trying to salvage what they can out of a bad situation. I haven't plotted things out but I assume they will have roster spots and cap room opening up to mesh with all the draft picks they'll have. on first blush, it feels like Brooklyn with take their playoff spot.

[Jake0890]

I never have understood why Philly wanted to dump Iggy so much. Hawes can play 4 with Bynum at 5 though.

Orlando is just trying to salvage what they can out of a bad situation. I haven't plotted things out but I assume they will have roster spots and cap room opening up to mesh with all the draft picks they'll have. on first blush, it feels like Brooklyn with take their playoff spot.

I would say the same about Iggy, with them losing Lou Williams and signing Nick young instead, they don't have much of a go to scorer or starting sf.

As for the magic, they won't get a pick from Philly until 2015, and Lakers until 2017. It makes no sense whatsoever for the trade. They werent able to get rid of turkoglu, which was the most imposing contract, and instead got rod of Richardson, who is still solid. And before anyone want to compare the magic to the thunders rebuilding phase, its not happening. They aren't going to draft 3 all stars in 3 drafts. They didn't do anything to help themselves, I think this may have been pressure by Dwight and his agent to get the trade done soon.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hedo's contract isn't as big of an issue. He can be bought out next year for $5 million. Richardson has 3 years on his deal. That was a bigger hindrance. Though, Q-Rich was a bigger contractual hindrance than Duhon was.


Nothing about this deal really makes sense for Orlando. Your best rebuilding piece is Aaron Afflalo, and you also got stuck with Al Harrington's deal? Your only true youth you got in return is Moe Harkless and you get 3 crappy 1sts?

Houston would have made a better offer. New Jersey's was arguably better as well.

[8305]

Glad to see Howard going to LA rather than the Nets. I still like us as the number 2 team in the East this year even with Bynum going to Philly and the re tooling of Boston. Now we just need to get this team out there and see the level of organic improvement.

[Scoot McGroot]

Bynum is a nice add for Philly. I know that they also assume that Iggy moving out may be a good thing and allow Evan Turner and Thad Williams to play more at SF, but I'm not sure that they'll do as well on the wings as they think. It may only be a marginal improvement. Either way, I'd rather play against Bynum as a conference foe than Dwight as a conference foe.