FNQ wrote:lol I'm fully aware that Bergstrom is a ZBS player, and that we've run power the past 3 years. It doesn't negate the fact that he's not very good at it, and if we use a 3rd round pick and wind up with a backup C, that's not a success story. Didn't we also have snapping issues the entire time Bergstrom was at C? But that's ok, because he had a good grade? AQ Shipley was what, 4th in C grades last year as a backup? The Colts let him walk without a fight, and he's been average at best there. So while I do like PFF's grades, it seems that NFL teams don't value them that much.
It's funny, you have no problem assuming on your end, but if anyone else does, its just so wrong... you assume Ray Ray/Moore were jettisoned solely because of poor play - as if our OL play has been stellar - but it couldnt be because Ball and Heeney did well in practice and pre-season.. Teams promote/demote as much based on practice as they do on game performance, so in summation - DO YOU KNOW?! Also re: Moore, he sure doesn't look the same does he? Like he rushed back to the field because sitting out a year is a payday death sentence..
All I can do is cite *universal* draft profiles that put him as a depth guard at best that was ticketed for the 7th/UDFA, with very limited potential. And while those aren't ironclad right, I tend to take draftniks universally agreeing over fans just saying 'wait and see!' because they really believe in the GM. Reggie has been great, but not without flaw.
Hahaha, you are really showing the ridiculousness of your argument. Yes he had a few snap issues with Carr but not "the entire time" he was at C. And that is normal when a QB and C don't have a lot of practice time together and aren't use to each other. And notice it didn't hurt his rating in the 2nd and 3rd game he started.
So you acknowledge that Bergstrom was drafted as a zone blocking guard. In his first year he learns behind a high paid FA (Brisiel) and an entrenched vet (Cooper). And in his second year, all the way thru the beginning of the season, he was performing at starter level and slotted to be so. Then he is injured. The next year we change the system that we are running. But he is terrible and you equate his lack of starting now to being his fault or Reggie's fault for drafting him.
With my arguement using the LBs as an example...I wasn't saying that Ball and Heeney good play didn't contribute to Ray Rays and Moore departure but that they are given high grades because they had the opportunity to play and that Feli hasn't. I was saying you don't KNOW that he won't have the same kind of performance that they had when he gets his chance. So we have to wait and see. Instead of grading someone on something they haven't had a chance to prove yet.
To your PFF statments...I don't even know where to start. Almost everything you said was wrong or misrepresented. SMH
Shipley was actually the Colts starter at Center to start the season.
Shipley was ranked 14th among Centers. Exactly where Bergstrom is this year.
Shipley was actually allowed to walk from the Colts because he had problems with the coaching staff and because despite his solid play the first 4 games of the season he is down graded around the league for having short arms.
Shipley was almost immediately signed to be the backup C/interior lineman by the Cardnals and is in the same valuable role for them.