Re: Super Bowl 58: 49ers vs Chiefs
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:01 pm
Shanahan not knowing the overtime rules is unforgivable. It's really unfortunate he's nothing like his father in big games.
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Samurai wrote:FWIW, here are the best and worst PFF grades for the Niners:
Offense: Conley (91.8 but only 8 snaps), Trent (87.3), Jennings (82.3), Ray Ray (76.9 but only counts his 6 snaps on offense and not his 12 snaps on not-so-special teams), Purdy (73.9 - kinda surprised he was this high).
Defense: Lenoir ((80.5), Brown (79.6), Hargrave (79.2), Armstead (75.3), Ward (74.5).
And the worst:
Offense: Banks (40.2), Burford (52.9), Mitchell (59.3 but only 4 snaps).
Defense: Gipson (34.7), Burks (35.3), Givens (48).
As expected, our OL really hurt us. While Trent did not allow any pressures in 44 pass-blocking snaps, Banks allowed a team high five, McKivitz allowed four, Burford three, and Brendel and Feliciano allowed one each. As a group, they really made it tough for Purdy to find any rhythm. With all the talk and concern over Chase Young and his (lack of) motor in the playoff games, he delivered his best score (73.4) since a week 14 win against Seattle. Unfortunately Bosa's score of 63.4 was his lowest of the playoffs and replays show that his misread on a 4th and 1 allowed Mahomes to easily run for the first down; a correct play on Bosa's part could have ended the game in a victory right there.
obviously having to play Orem Burks instead of Greenlaw really hurt us in the second half. And I would expect that Brown and Hufanga would/should be our starting safeties next season. I hope Lynch focuses on improving our OL this offseason.
arich35 wrote:wco81 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Tell that to Jets fans, Lions fans, Cardinals fans, Vikings fans, Browns fans, Dolphins fans, The last 30 years of Cowboys fans, Jaguars fans, Texans fans, Titans fans, Raiders fans, Chargers fans, Panthers fans, Falcons fans.
Tell them how annual deep playoff runs "don't mean squat."
I swear man some of y'all think the 49ers are entitled to automatically make the conference championship game.
If you’re satisfied with coming close to winning rings, not actually winning rings, then you give Shanahan another extension, and another one after that. He will be here for over 20 years.
But he had leads!
OK moral victories FTW!
Come on dude, who do you want? Who is going to magically come in, change pretty much everything and win us a Super Bowl?
wco81 wrote:arich35 wrote:wco81 wrote:
If you’re satisfied with coming close to winning rings, not actually winning rings, then you give Shanahan another extension, and another one after that. He will be here for over 20 years.
But he had leads!
OK moral victories FTW!
Come on dude, who do you want? Who is going to magically come in, change pretty much everything and win us a Super Bowl?
I don’t know who’d do better. I just know Kyle isn’t good enough. Two SBs as HC and one as OC. Numerous regular season games.
If you want to ignore the evidence be my guest.
I just have no expectations of championships with him in charge.
I would love to eat my words. Highly unlikely though.
wco81 wrote:The leads mean nothing. As long as Kyle is in charge, the team won’t win it all.
In fact, with the looming salary cap situation and the relatively good health they had this season, they may not get another shot.
What he’s shown is that he can’t learn. In the clutch, he can’t deliver. Two 3rd downs in the red zone, everyone knew the blitz was coming both times and they don’t come close to converting because the play calls are poor.
thesack12 wrote:wco81 wrote:arich35 wrote:
Come on dude, who do you want? Who is going to magically come in, change pretty much everything and win us a Super Bowl?
I don’t know who’d do better. I just know Kyle isn’t good enough. Two SBs as HC and one as OC. Numerous regular season games.
If you want to ignore the evidence be my guest.
I just have no expectations of championships with him in charge.
I would love to eat my words. Highly unlikely though.
You don't know who would be better, because winning a Super Bowl is literally the only permissible result. Its the highest possible bar and strictest possible standard to set.
If winning a Super Bowl is the only metric we are going to consider, I guess that means that Mike McCarthy is a better coach than Kyle. Bruce Arians is a better coach than Kyle. Doug Pederson is a better coach than Kyle. Gary Kubiak is a better coach than Kyle. Brian Billick is a better coach than Kyle.
I also find it odd that you mention "multiple regular season games" here, yet in a previous post you completely dismiss multiple super bowl appearances by classifying them as "moral victories." So I guess the games that the 49ers lose are the only ones that matter???
wco81 wrote:thesack12 wrote:wco81 wrote:
I don’t know who’d do better. I just know Kyle isn’t good enough. Two SBs as HC and one as OC. Numerous regular season games.
If you want to ignore the evidence be my guest.
I just have no expectations of championships with him in charge.
I would love to eat my words. Highly unlikely though.
You don't know who would be better, because winning a Super Bowl is literally the only permissible result. Its the highest possible bar and strictest possible standard to set.
If winning a Super Bowl is the only metric we are going to consider, I guess that means that Mike McCarthy is a better coach than Kyle. Bruce Arians is a better coach than Kyle. Doug Pederson is a better coach than Kyle. Gary Kubiak is a better coach than Kyle. Brian Billick is a better coach than Kyle.
I also find it odd that you mention "multiple regular season games" here, yet in a previous post you completely dismiss multiple super bowl appearances by classifying them as "moral victories." So I guess the games that the 49ers lose are the only ones that matter???
Well everyone on the team wants to win a SB, including Shanahan. So to them that is the only “permissible” result.
He got the team to the SB twice. are you going to be happy if the team makes another SB appearance or two without winning it?
Those one time champion coaches, would Kyle himself trade places with them? I bet he would. They had less flawed rosters, which may not have been up to them, such as in the case of McCarthy or Pederson. But they absolutely called and managed better SB games to win championships.
Kyle simply has not been good enough at calling plays and managing games on the biggest stage.
How is that in dispute?
He’s relatively young so he could improve but I have no confidence that he will. Or if and when he does improve, it won’t be until well after his contract ends at the end of 2025.
Are you willing to give him another 5-6 years after 2025 to see if he learns or reset the team?
I also have zero confidence in his drafting of the top 100 players. So the longer he is in charge, the more first to third round picks he will squander.
Maybe if the team will take way his player personnel and get in a better GM …
wco81 wrote:First of all I didn't call for him to be fired.
Yes I admit it's a risk that the next HC might not even get the team to the SB.
But I'm reasonably sure that under Shanahan, the 49ers won't win a SB. So from that standpoint, better to reset sooner than later.
You can trash those other coaches all you want but they have a ring each, something Kyle will likely NEVER have. In the biggest games, they made the calls and managed the game and got results.
I really don't want to see him get another extension though. That would be doubling down on runner-up status.
Or at a minimum, hire a strong GM and let him run the drafts and free agency. In fact do it before the next draft if possible, because the odds are, the picks which the team makes in the first 3 rounds are unlikely to make a significant impact next season or the season after that.
RIPskaterdude wrote:I seriously can't get over the fact that they had a wide open BA for a TD in OT on 3rd down, but couldn't give Purdy more than 2 seconds to throw. This is worse than the Sanders overthrow by Jimmy
arich35 wrote:RIPskaterdude wrote:I seriously can't get over the fact that they had a wide open BA for a TD in OT on 3rd down, but couldn't give Purdy more than 2 seconds to throw. This is worse than the Sanders overthrow by Jimmy
Even Jennings beat his man pretty easily and would have been down inside the 5 more than likely if they just give Purdy an extra half second
CharityStripe34 wrote:Kittle, BA and Jajuan all got open on the play. Unfortunately, so did Chris Jones.
Kyle needs to do a lot of soul-searching. I hope Lynch and Jed sit with him and have a very long talk.
thesack12 wrote:wco81 wrote:First of all I didn't call for him to be fired.
Yes I admit it's a risk that the next HC might not even get the team to the SB.
But I'm reasonably sure that under Shanahan, the 49ers won't win a SB. So from that standpoint, better to reset sooner than later.
You can trash those other coaches all you want but they have a ring each, something Kyle will likely NEVER have. In the biggest games, they made the calls and managed the game and got results.
I really don't want to see him get another extension though. That would be doubling down on runner-up status.
Or at a minimum, hire a strong GM and let him run the drafts and free agency. In fact do it before the next draft if possible, because the odds are, the picks which the team makes in the first 3 rounds are unlikely to make a significant impact next season or the season after that.
Sure those other coaches got the results, but how much of those results were driven by them? For instance, Mike McCarthy is well known for his amazing game management skills, right?